Posted on 01/14/2003 12:02:30 AM PST by ppaul
This guy isn't getting the attention because he says the Book of Mormon is racist, it is because he says it is a work of fiction. Sorry, Mr Murphy, that is apostacy. The Book of Mormon is one of the cornerstones of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ in these latter days, and to deny it and call it fiction, well, why does he want to stay in a church that he thinks is so awful (except for the attention, of course.)
Mr Murphy also admits to not living the tenets of the gospel, and doesn't go to church at all. He just wants to be known in Mormon intellectual circles, and keep his membership so that his relationship with his family isn't hurt more...
That is utter nonsense. I'm starting to get tired of LDS women being referred to as 'breeders', and this idea from Murphy is along those same lines. It is an honor and a privilege to have children.
That is utter nonsense. I'm starting to get tired of LDS women being referred to as 'breeders', and this idea from Murphy is along those same lines. It is an honor and a privilege to have children. I'm LDS and have NEVER heard this line from the "Mormon patriarchy" about women being incubators or soil.
That is utter nonsense.
Yeah, I know. I'm amazed that people repeat stuff like that and even more amazed that some still believe it. And the idiotreporter (one word, redundant) printed it, too.
I have been a Mormon all of my life and served a full time mission in California and have lived in Utah for half of my life and I have never heard "seed" interpreted this way.
Me neither! I was just wondering if I missed an RS lesson somewhere along the way... ;)
Can't answer for Utah Girl but in my experience those who style themselves "mormon intellectuals" are MINOs.
I agree.
Man, to the vast majority of the media "we report, you decide" is a foreign concept.
And to be a good sister wife
You're assuming--as I do not--that our "methods of scientific inquiry" are infallible. What a foolish notion.
These same "methods of scientific inquiry" tell us that global warming--caused of course by human activity--is causing the ice-caps to melt and will soon result in a cataclysm the likes of which the world has never seen.
Only problem is, there really isn't any proof of any of this, just conjecture.
I have a suspicion that a few years from now, the DNA tests we have now are going to be found to be flawed. I began to suspect this when I started reading all the accounts of "falsely imprisoned" rapists being freed. It just doesn't make sense that all these people could have been innocent, but "the DNA tests said so," so we take it as gospel.
I'm going to laugh raucously when we discover we actually set free a bunch of guilty rapists.
The same can be said of the Book of Mormon people. Those with dark skin often were more righteous and blessed than the lighter skinned people. There were dark skinned Prophets. In fact, the lighter skinned people were eventually all killed off because of their wickedness. To say that the Book of Mormon is racist because of a few passages and ignoring the rest of the passages that condtradict this guy's premise is intellectually dishonest.DNA analysis contradicts Book of Mormon claims that American Indians are descended from ancient heathen Israelites
The book of Mormon claims that a group of Isrealites settled in the Americas. There are no exact locations given but most beleive that it took place around Central America. The Book of Mormon also says that there were other groups of people in the Americas. At least two others are specifically talked about.
Now, the main group of people in the Book of Mormon are said to be decendants of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. Now, Joseph had two sons named Ephraim and Menasseh who are the fathers of two of the 12 tribes. Joshua 14:4 reads, "For the children of Joseph were two tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim"
So, now the question becomes, which groups of people do you use to compare DNA? For the control group, would you use an Israeli's DNA? Well which tribe is he from? Probably the tribe of Judah. Well, Ephraim and Menasseh were part of the lost 10 tribes. So, to begin with, to get a direct decendant of Ephraim and Menasseh may be difficult in the first place.
But who would he use for the test group? Any American Indian? Should he use Cherokee or Navaho? I bet their DNA is different. Why not an Eskimo? And in Central and South America we have the Mayans, the Incans, and a few others. I don't know if there are many Aztecs or Olmecs left to test.
To say there is no DNA evidence just because he hasn't found any yet is a pretty arrogant statement. As I have shown, it is much more complex than what is said in this article.
Does the fact that DNA evidence shows that Apes and Chimpanzees and humans are related shake your faith at all? Do you need Science to confirm your faith in the Bible? How many times has science supposedly "proven" the Bible wrong? Christians routinely reject Scientists theories that contradict the Bible. Why would Christians all of a sudden support these same scientists when they attack other religions including attacks on the Book of Mormon?
There is NO "scientific" evidence that there ever was an exodus from Egypt. No historical records whatsoever that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt, that they were enslaved, that they were let go. None.
Ergo, since so much of the Bible proceeds from the notion of the birth of the nation of ancient Israel after the Exodus, the Bible is FALSE.
You said so yourself.
But there's a huge problem: There is no record that there ever was a "Moses," nor Hebrews living in Egypt, nor any such "exodus" from Egypt.
Egypt, which is unique in having a nearly-unbroken civilization stretching back to pre-history, and which was meticulous in keeping historical records such that we know the details of everything from the ruling dynasties to daily life among the lowborn, has NO HISTORICAL RECORD of the Exodus, NONE AT ALL.
Therefore, the Bible is a fiction, isn't it? And anyone, Jew or Christian, who uses it as a basis of faith is deluded, right?
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