[Desdemona]

Just shut the hell up about the Church being run by women and homosexuals, because that's complete and total nonsense, and you know it!

Ummmm...I think it depends on where you are. And frankly, not many cardinals and bishops are displaying spine these days except the ones who make all the changes in direct opposition to Rome. Spine is a manly trait.

And really, sinky, the only people I know who really like all the changes which smack of protestantism are suburbanites who smile way too much and have no concept of culture off Broadway.

[sinkspur]

And really, sinky, the only people I know who really like all the changes which smack of protestantism are suburbanites who smile way too much and have no concept of culture off Broadway.

Please, Des. You're starting to sound like UR. Your smugness about "suburbanites" resembles the Democrat attack against the "rich" Republicans. It's beneath you, and you ought to know better.

The "changes" are not protestant; they're Catholic. What's gotten into you people who are jumping on the trad/schismatic bandwagon?

It's not a matter of "culture," dear lady. It's a matter of glorifying and worshipping God, and the Novus Ordo does that.

Bells-and-smells-and-Latin are incidentals. Let's not lose sight of what the Mass is. Letting UR and the other sedevacantists define the NO as some kind of "protestant" service is ridiculous. They know it, and you know it.