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Dr. Judith Reisman, Advises Catholic Church to Sue the Sex Experts for Medical Malpractice
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Posted on 12/30/2002 9:39:02 AM PST by boromeo

Dr. Judith Reisman, Debunker of Kinsey Sex Research, Advises Catholic Church to Sue the Sex Experts for Medical Malpractice

Thursday, December 26, 2002

By Karl Maurer, Vice President

As the sex scandal in the Catholic Church continues to unfold, the most shocking aspect is not so much the abuse itself, but that molester priests were repeatedly given access to children, even after they were known to be child molesters. While the Bishops are in a large part responsible for the sex scandal in the church, there is a growing body of evidence pointing to an enormous fraud perpetrated on the Catholic Church by so-called sex "experts" who consulted to the Bishops and allegedly "treated" sex abuser priests.

What if these "experts", who claimed that child molesting priests could be reformed and then repatriated to their parishes, weren't really experts at all? What if they were quack doctors, who believed there was fundamentally nothing wrong with adult/child sexually contact? What if their so-called treatments never showed success, and in fact were never intended to stop child sexual abuse?

This is the thesis advanced by Dr. Judith Reisman, Ph. D., who believes that the entire field of sexology, established by the notorious Dr. Alfred Kinsey, is a fraud. Dr. Reisman also believes that the so-called treatments given to predator priests in Kinsey inspired therapy sessions were so grossly ineffective, that the Catholic Church and the victims of clerical sexual abuse have a legal claim against these sex clinics for medical malpractice. She is currently consulting with several attorneys regarding class action suits whereby the Catholic laity can seek damages.

Dr. Reisman, Ph.D. visited Chicago in November to discuss these issues and the second edition of her landmark book, Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences at the invitation of Catholic Citizens of Illinois, a lay group founded in 1996 which offers a monthly luncheon and speaker forum open to the public.

After completing her doctorate studies in mass communication in 1980, Dr. Reisman entered an investigation into Dr. Kinsey . In 1998, she published the first edition of Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences, which exposed Dr. Kinsey, for the first time, as an academic fraud and a bi/homosexual responsible for massive child molestation.

Long before the Catholic Church made the headlines for the child abuse scandals, Dr. Alfred Kinsey, the so-called father of the Sexual Revolution, was quietly employing child abusers and homosexuals as researchers. In spite of the fact that Kinsey was a bi/homosexual, criminally responsible for massive child molestation, and an academic fraud, he obtained the financial backing of the notorious Rockefeller Foundation. Kinsey's research was ultimately used to eliminate laws that banned pornography and sexual deviancy in all fifty states. In the process, he ignited the Sexual Revolution of the Sixties. Kinsey was so influential on American culture that in 1989 the National Research Council pronounced that American society could be divided into "Pre- and Post Kinsey" eras.

Dr. Reisman's investigation has revealed that the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University ("IU"), led by Dr. Kinsey, was responsible for the criminal sexual abuse of over 300 infants and children, the results of which were published in Kinsey's 1948 report on male sexuality. Dr. Reisman also revealed that Kinsey's female 'research' subjects would have included large numbers of prostitutes, the only women willing to candidly discuss their sex lives with him. For his "normal" male subjects, Kinsey used prison inmates, where homosexuality was rampant .

By performing his 'research' on a population on children, and men and women who were totally unrepresentative of the larger U.S. population, Kinsey's results were hopelessly flawed. Not only was Kinsey aware of this fraud, but his financiers at the Rockefeller Foundation were also aware. All parties knew that in the end, the 'research' needed to serve as evidence that sex laws needed to be overturned.

Dr. Reisman opened her lecture by showing a 1998 video "Kinsey's Paedophiles," produced by Britian's Yorkshire Television. The video was based largely on the results of Dr. Reisman's findings and documents the existence of known child abusers on Kinsey's research team, including a Nazi in Germany who had abused imprisoned children during World War Two. As of this time, no public television station in the United States has shown the program, in spite of being sent copies, and in contrast to the openly pro-gay programming frequently aired on public television.

Dr. Reisman noted that, "the members of the Catholic Church have a unique opportunity during this catastrophic challenge to help the entire nation to pull itself out of the very tragic place it has fallen into." In addition to a catastrophic loss of faith within the Church hierarchy, the hidden source of the current child sexual abuse scandal "is the constant stream of immorality in the media and popular culture that has polluted the nation and the Church. The main source of the sexual scandal today is Dr. Kinsey's sexual revolution."

Dr. Reisman pointed out that the media's use of the term ephebophilia to describe the abuse by priests is an intentionally misleading manipulation of language. "The main problem has been priests having sex with boys. Ephebophilia can by definition be heterosexual or homosexual assault. What we see today are almost exclusively homosexual assaults of boys, 'pederasty', and it has a long history. Ephebophilia has no validity in terms of what is taking place in the Catholic Church."

"The idea that homosexuality is not about pederasty and abusing boys is not sustained by the data," said Dr. Reisman. "One of the most notorious lesbian activists, Camille Paglia, noted how ridiculous it is that the American public is being conned into believing homosexuality is not about boys. Maintaining one's youth through the sexual abuse of boys, that is the history of homosexuality going back to the ancient Greeks."

As for the current propaganda alleging children are 'born gay', Dr. Reisman stated, "There are no scientific data confirming children are born homosexual. Historically and cross-culturally, the data confirm the exact opposite, that homosexuality is environmentally created and can be reversed." However, cautioned Dr. Reisman, in cases of pederasty, pedophilia, and other forms of sexual child abuse, there are no data confirming reversal or rehabilitation, as the recent experiences of the Catholic Church have demonstrated.

A publication by the North American Man Boy Love Association, co-found by the notorious Boston child molester Rev. Paul Shanley, cited Kinsey as the father of the pedophile and pederast movements. The article stated , "Gay liberationists in general, and boy lovers in particular, should know Kinsey's work and hold it dear. Implicit in Kinsey is the struggle we fight today."

Dr. Reisman highlighted the recent statements of Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, who has insisted, "questions should be asked about the clinics and treatment centers used by Bishops, and the faulty counsel by various kinds of sexologists, psychologists and other assorted 'experts' who advised recycling predatory priests."

In response to Bishop Bruskewitz's call, Dr. Reisman has developed a proposal mapping out the legal strategy for suing the "treatment centers" that accepted predatory priests fraudulently promising to rehabilitate them. The report was recently hand delivered to Pope John Paul II. "We have to face the fact," noted Dr. Reisman, "that just as there are closet pederast priests, and even Bishops, there are pederast therapists," and they have been misleading the Church for decades. As of this date, there has been no response from the Vatican regarding Dr. Reisman's proposals.

Dr. Reisman noted that legal precedence for culpability of therapists for fraudulent malpractice has already established by a $5.7 million award in 1984 against one such center, which had established a record for treating and releasing sexual predators who continued to prey on children after they had been allegedly "cured."

Referencing a growing mountain of evidence, Dr. Reisman declared it a well know fact that for decades parish school children, seminarians and priests in the Catholic Church have been counseled and taught using Kinsey's perverted and fraudulently derived theories of sexuality. In fact, "They (seminarians) have been taught the Sexual Attitude Restructuring (SAR) process that was created at the Institute for the Study of Advanced Sexuality in San Francisco, which was founded by Dr. Wardell Pomeroy, Dr. Kinsey's one time lover. Pomeroy who not only endorsed wife-swapping and homosexuality, but has also extolled the virtues of child sex and even bestiality."

We often hear of predatory priests who were "treated in California" and later released. What the media fails to mention is that they were treated at Kinsey based centers where the 'experts' all believe homosexuality is completely natural, and that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with adults who prefer to have sex with children, according to Dr. Reisman.

In fact, notes Dr. Reisman, Kinsey's 'research' was not designed to simply liberate America from outdated and restrictive sexual morality, which is a common misconception. "Kinsey meant to undermine the legal protections for the institution of marriage," writes Reisman in her book, and the legal legacy of Kinsey's efforts is an accelerating desent of our culture into pornography, protected by a perversion of laws governing freedom of speech.

" The "Sex Offenses" section defining "normal sexuality" of The Model Penal Code of the American Law Institute ("ALI") that changed all our sex laws was 100% the work of Dr. Alfred Kinsey," Reisman noted. "The ALI is the educational arm of the American Bar Association ("ABA") which educates our lawyers. If you are being taught fraud in your law school, via Dr. Kinsey, how can one be expected to go into a courtroom and argue effectively?" It was the introduction of Kinsey's sexology 'findings' into major law schools, via the ALI Model Penal Code, that began the process of repealing state laws, according to Dr. Reisman.

Kinseyites in all the top the law schools, according to Dr. Reisman, published law review articles demanding we lighten our allegedly repressive sex laws. "It was a small cabal of lawyers, psychologists, and Kinsey," said Reisman. "These people went about quietly, state by state, creating commission reports on sex that were forwarded to the state legislatures. The legislatures then responded by implementing the ALI/MPC recommendations. Prostitution, "contributing to the delinquency of a minor, sodomy, all of these laws crumbled when Kinsey 's fraudulent data were presented to state lawmakers."

"Kinsey broke down the structures that were put into place in our society to protect children, women, and the family structure," Dr. Reisman observes. " Look at the data regarding sex in the late 1940's. Abortion was illegal and contraception was difficult to obtain, especially for a single person. If what Kinsey was saying about the commonality of co-habitation, sex out of wedlock, prostitution and promiscuity were true, we would have had epidemic rates of "illegitimacy," sexually transmitted diseases , rape, and child sexual abuse. In fact, there were no such epidemics, because nonmarital sexual activity simply did not exist on anywhere near the scale Kinsey claimed.

Dr. Reisman noted, "Kinsey said he found that children were 100% orgasmic, even babies. 96% of our men are male sex offenders, 50% of husbands and 26% of wives were adulterers, and 90% of all single pregnant girls were having abortions… He claimed that the majority of all American men and women were bi-sexual…Which begs the question -- how does he know all this?" Dr. Reisman speculates that Kinsey's Midwestern university credentials were critical in suppressing protest. In her book, Dr. Reisman includes public relations photos and campaigns that were used to give the public the impression that Kinsey was an otherwise normal and serious scholar, and the con worked. "Nobody asked how he knew about the children's orgasms," noted Dr. Reisman, "because it was assumed that Kinsey's university research was scientific, and guess what? It wasn't scientific at all. It was fraud!"

"What's the fallout?" asks Reisman, "Just look around. If law and society say that out of wedlock births are OK and sadomasochism or bestiality are just alternative lifestyles, how can law and society say that any kind of obscenity is wrong? You can't make pornography illegal if its OK for people to be doing anything they want outside of marriage. If that's the case, then why isn't it OK to simply photograph and sell it?"

How does all this relate to the Catholic Church?

"The human sexuality disciples of Alfred Kinsey today counsel the Catholic Church," warned Dr. Reisman. "They train its children as future nuns, priests, brothers and bishops and they are Kinseyans, without question."

Kinsey disciple, Dr. Fred Berlin, from Johns Hopkins University, has been a major advisor to the to the Catholic Church since 1985, when he was identified as an expert in the treatment of pedophiles. Dr. Berlin was recommended to the National Council of Catholic Bishops ("NCCB") in a document known as the Peterson/Doyle Report, which has been cited as a warning of child sexual abuse by Catholic priests that was ignored by the NCCB.

The problem with the report is that it recommended the Bishops turn over all of their problem priests to sexual treatment centers, specifying Johns Hopkins, which was based entirely on the perverted and fraudulent treatment methods of Kinsey. While it is often said that the Bishops did not act on this report, it is clear that indeed they did send pedopriests to these centers for repair, or cures.

Both Dr. Berlin and Dr. John Money had been recommended to the Bishops by the authors of the Peterson/Doyle Report. (Peterson later died of died of AIDS.) Peterson wrote, "Drs. Money and Berlin are considered by me and most people the field as the two U.S. experts (and are) mental health professionals with good success in the treatment of such disorders." According to Dr. Reisman, Berlin and Money are peddling Kinsey's bogus sex science.

Dr. Berlin himself has stated publicly that he would not turn over predatory child molesters to the police. In fact, in1988 the Maryland press reported there were at least 8 men accused of sexually abusing children under the care of Dr. Berlin. "Dr. Berlin has served as a witness for sadistic sex offenders, and has testified in court that such men cannot control their sexual barbarism," observed Dr. Reisman. "But these deviants have no difficulty controlling their lust when they are in front of parents or legal authorities."

Dr. Reisman noted that, "Dr. John Money has written in the Journal of Paedophilia that sex between men and boys is a perfectly viable activity, it's really good for the boys, and he says he would never report a pedophile (to the police). This is the man in charge of training and curing priests!" Dr. Money also claimed that the Johns Hopkins clinic was not created to repair sex offenders but to give "lee-way for judges," as an alternative to jail.

In fact, Peterson's assessment of Money and Berlin's success was false. They had demonstrated no success in 'curing' child abusers. Another Johns Hopkins and Kinsey influenced 'expert' who impacts the Catholic Church is Dr. Paul McHue. Dr, McHue was appointed by United States Conference of Catholic Bishops ("USCCB") leader Bishop Wilton Gregory to the Catholic oversight board responsible for overseeing the implementation of various sexual abuse reforms. His role on the board is stated to have been to provide expert advice on the psychological treatment of clerics accused of sexually abusing children.

In a story critical of Johns Hopkins 'treatment' of pedophile priests, the Maryland press revealed that Dr. Berlin had been subverting the child abuse reporting required by state law with the full approval of his boss, Dr. Paul McHue. Dr. McHue was in charge of the treatment center at Johns Hopkins when Dr. Money was forcing boy patients at Johns Hopkins to engage in incestuous child pornography, which was revealed in the book As Nature Made Him, a book about trans-gendered operations performed at Johns Hopkins.

"I don't want to impugn the Bishops," said Dr. Reisman. "One of the reasons I focus on the Peterson /Doyle report is because I believe that document intentionally mislead the Catholic Church. This document told the Bishops to turn over all of their pederast priests to professionals…(The Peterson/Doyle Report) claimed they could cure the child abusing priests knowing they couldn’t. Whether Father Doyle understood this reality is another question. On the less generous side, just as we have closet pederasts in therapy profession, we have closet pederasts among the bishops. The problem is that these pederast bishops can influence other bishops and as a result, compromise the entire structure. In the end, there's simply no justification for Paul McHue being on an advisory board designed to curb child sexual abuse."

The Peterson/Doyle report also said, quoted Dr. Reisman, that, "the Catholic Church had to get away from its "extreme moral judgmentalism" and the only way was to transfer the sex offenders to specialized clinics, so they could be trained and repatriated. But you can’t very well train and repatriate a pederast priest if you believe that pederasty is OK, can you?"

Kinsey's influence on the Catholic Church is far deeper than the bogus treatment facilities responsible for recycling predator priests. The Kinsey Institute is the curator of the 'science' Kinsey created, and responsible for spreading it. To the extent that Kinsey's views on sex have been nearly universally accepted as truth, they have infiltrated public and private schools, and even been introduced into U.S. seminaries.

In his best selling book, Goodbye Good Men, author Michael Rose records the testimony of dozens of seminarians exposed to radical programs featuring hard core pornography while they were in the seminary. Remarkably, these programs continue in seminaries all over the world. Dr. Reisman contacted Rose after reading his book to make sure Rose was aware that these programs were products of the Kinsey Institute, and specifically, the Sexual Attitude Restructuring (SAR) program. The SAR as shown in Kinsey training centers is a barrage of pornography on multiple screens, which is consistent with the programs described by shocked seminarians. In addition to seminarians, hundreds of orthodox priests who have been adjudged as "too rigid" have been forced to enter SAR programs at indoctrination centers across the country.

Just how has the Sexual Revolution spawned by Kinsey changed our culture? Dr. Reisman cited the statistics recently released by the U.S. Department of Justice. From 1976 to 1999 there has been a 1,311% increase in child sexual abuse. Roughly 400,000 children are prostituted annually in the United States. 67% of all reported sex abuse victims are children, and 34% of those children are under 12 years of age. 64% of all forced sodomy victims are boys under the age of 12 and age 4 is the most common age.

In 1999 the US Department of Justice reported 58,200 cases of non-family child abductions, two thirds reporting sexual abuse. 35% of these kidnappings were of boys, commonly abducted and sexually abused by homosexual men, who represent only 2% of the total population, according to Dr. Reisman.

Dr. Reisman concluded, "The ultimate source of the child sex abuse scandal in the Church can only be understood by studying Alfred Kinsey, the bisexual, pornographically obsessed pederast guru, and his disciples who currently counsel church and secular leaders."

For more information about Dr. Reisman, see www.drjudithreisman.org. To order a copy of Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences, do so at the website or call, The Institute for Media Education at 1-800-476-0975.

Karl Maurer is the President of Aquinas Consulting, CPA's and Management Consultants, and is the Vice President of Catholic Citizens of Illinois (www.catholiccitizens.org). He may be reached at karl@aquinconsult.com.


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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
There is much propaganda in our society to counter,and both branches of Christianity should turn their attention to it.

Thanks and amen!! Can you ping any of your cohorts,it is a very informative read.

41 posted on 12/30/2002 9:07:15 PM PST by saradippity
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To: saradippity
Wish i could, being new here, i am ignorant of the method. Unfortunately, i have no idea just who my cohorts are at this time.

In respect to the article, in a manner of speaking, you Catholics can consider youselves blessed...You didn't have to deal with the Satanic Ritual Abuse nonsense of about a decade ago. Although that was primarily a Charismatic Hoax, we Protestants have for years been forced to deal with the fact that 98% of Protestant religious programming comes from a branch of Protestantism that is only 23% of the whole. You have no idea of how hard it is to deal with the excesses of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, the 700 Club (always thought that was Ruth and Aaron :-}), and PTL among others. i could almost sarcastically say that now you guys are getting a taste of what we have been getting for the past 15 or so years, but it isn't funny, and it wasn't funny for us either. Still, this is an article that most Protestants will find interesting. BTW, didn't the authur once work for the Kinsey Institute? i seem to remember a name close to that in the amusements sections of the Sunday papers back in the 70's. It was called the Kinsey Report. i may be mistaken, but i seem to remember the woman who was the collumnist left Kinsey bitterly, and there was some sort of litigation. Please advise.
42 posted on 12/30/2002 9:27:27 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord
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To: saradippity
I think I'll send it to my bishop too.
43 posted on 12/30/2002 9:33:15 PM PST by tiki
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I would like to hear that " secular medical professionals" have views about homosexuality other than those described above. But they don't.
44 posted on 12/30/2002 10:16:19 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: boromeo
What if the sex experts were determined to be quack doctors who knew full well that their treatments were ineffective?

What if they were? The Bishops and Pope, supposedly speaking for Christ on Earth, should of figured it out much earlier, instead of facilitating the homosexuals.

This argument while true in theory regarding "sex experts" in no way, shape, or form, lets the men who condoned these homosexuals and their attacks, off the hook.

45 posted on 12/30/2002 10:25:46 PM PST by Jael
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To: Desdemona
Who could of possibly been mislead about this? You have serial molesting homosexuals seducing teen age boys for years and years in the Catholic Church and someone NOW wants to say that it's not their fault????

The men who facilitated it and kept it happening want to blame someone else?

A Doctor made them do it?

Not hardly.
46 posted on 12/30/2002 10:30:47 PM PST by Jael
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To: saradippity
I believe she is Jewish.
47 posted on 12/30/2002 10:34:28 PM PST by Jael
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
http://www.drjudithreisman.org/

About Dr. Reisman. :-)

I believe she also wrote "Soft Porn Plays Hardball".
48 posted on 12/30/2002 10:46:37 PM PST by Jael
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Chancellor Palpatine
..and both branches of Christianity should turn their attention to it.

I don't know. Whaddya think? Should both branches get busy attending to society?

49 posted on 12/31/2002 3:06:15 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Jael
Thanks for the link. This obviously was not the same woman, my bad. The names are similar however, hence my confusion. As i now recall, the woman i remembered had a first name of June. cannot quite remember the last name well enough to attempt to spell in, but it is similar to Dr. Reisman. The other woman is also critical of Kinsey.
50 posted on 12/31/2002 6:20:40 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord
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To: MarMema
As i, and an increasing number of my Reformed brethern and sistern :0) have come to realise, there are only two legitimate purposes of the church. 1)The cooperate gathering of believers to worship God in Spirit and in truth. 2)To equip it's members to carry out the mandates of the Great Commission.

All other functions are Secondary to and in support of those two mandates. I see no instances in the Scriptural record where the church that the Apostles Shepherded ever got involved in national politics, except were it conflicted with what God had specifically commanded the members of the church to do.

In my own Protestant circles, i am sick to death of the politicisation of the Church. Certainly we have a mandate to redeem society ONE SOUL AT A TIME AS THE GOSPEL IS PRESENTED, AND GOD GIVES GRACE TO THE HEARER TO ACCEPT THAT GOSPEL. The Church is responsible to present an accurate clear Word of God to the world. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to move in the individual and persuade. We have the promise of God in Isaiah 55:10-11 that His will is accomplished. None the less, we still have the responsibility to present that message.

The answer to you question then is IMHO, We need to present truth, and allow God to move hearts. This article presents truth, and should be publicised.
51 posted on 12/31/2002 6:44:30 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord
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To: Jael
The Bishops and Pope, supposedly speaking for Christ on Earth, should of figured it out much earlier, instead of facilitating the homosexuals.

Actually, some of them did. The clean-up started long before it hit the news. At least 10 years. The problem was more in the "expert" culture of the 70's, which has now been pretty much debunked. But if "science" says it's right....
52 posted on 12/31/2002 6:47:39 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
There are only two legitimate purposes of the church...

There is at least one more -- the works of Christian charity. The Biblical support for it is quite clear.

I see no instances in the Scriptural record where the church that the Apostles Shepherded ever got involved in national politics.

The problem is that "national politics" exceed far and wide what could be reasonably considered "political." One of the big worldwide moral issues that suddenly became "political" is abortion. In many countries it is human rights (or basic human dignity issues). And from the recent history... some non-Christians blame Pope Pius XII for not being Christian enough in his pronouncements.

53 posted on 12/31/2002 7:52:16 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: Desdemona
Actually, some of them did.

Of course they did, and the record of the past 10 years isn't too bad.

I had a friend who went to a seminary 6 years ago. Before having been admitted he went for a 2-day(!) psychological examination. In his own account, the insults and the questions he was asked were suitable for a sexual criminal rather than for a candidate for the priesthood.

When it was over he was furious at those who screwed up in the past and trashed the dignity of God's call to the priesthood.

54 posted on 12/31/2002 7:57:21 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
And the sick thing is, it hasn't just been the priesthood that's been trahsed, but many other worthy vocations (like motherhood).

I have my own horror story of being a victim of psychology. Not in the seminary though. There's no reason for the seminaries to be so out of whack.
55 posted on 12/31/2002 8:01:26 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: heyheyhey
Grouping: i would lump that purpose in with #2 on my list, but if you want to separate it, fine with me.

i do not consider abortion a political issue, it was a moral issue that was politicised, a subtle difference.

This is indicative of what happened in Protestant Churches in the late 19th Century. A majority of Protestant Clergy actively promoted abortion, because they chose to listen to bad science, and not the Word of God. Hence the neccessity to publish and proclaim what is true. In the issue of sexuality, the Roman Catholic Church has made historical, authoritative statements, the Bishops chose not to listen, trusting in "science falsly called". Same thing, both wrong, both factions(Catholic Bishops who bought this nonsense, and Protestant Clergy who devalued human life) need to repent.

It is also obvious that we both need to start by proclaiming the truth IN OUR OWN RESPECTIVE CONGREGATIONS.
A simple rule that Protestants should have learned with prohibition: WHAT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED WILL EITHER NOT COME INTO BEING OR CEASE TO EXIST IF IT DOES.
In our respective traditions, we need to restore the didactic -authoritative teaching-, and stop dialoging to consensus. It seems funny to me that -in spite of the claims of ecumenism- the churches spoke in a more unified voice when they were emphaic about their distinctions from one another. RC's and PC's (Roman Christians, Protestant Christians), spoke as a unified voice on social issues (for the most part) all the while spitting and hissing at each other. Now we're divided on those issues, but nice to each other (again, for the most part, i don't want to get into differences, there is another thread for that!).
56 posted on 12/31/2002 8:11:31 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord
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To: Desdemona
The problem was more in the "expert" culture of the 70's

I totally disagree with you on this. The RCC has never recognized that any experts had any knowledge she didn't.
Also, the seventies was not a time of recognizing authority.

The problem with this is not pedophilia. It is the men in the church being active in sodomy, condoning it, and the felony cover up of their crimes.

57 posted on 12/31/2002 8:41:38 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
I totally disagree with you on this. The RCC has never recognized that any experts had any knowledge she didn't.

Disagree all you want. I'm going by what the bishops themselves had to say. Ther are the administrators. They relied on "science" and it came back to haunt them. About 10-12 years ago they realized their mistake and began cleaning it up.

As to the rest, it will be a while before we know the whole story, if ever. At this point, all we can do is clean it up and learn from the mistakes.
58 posted on 12/31/2002 8:52:26 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
I will say this, I believe that psychoheresy is one of the worst evils in the world today. It has many victims.


The Psychoanalytic Stream of Psychology
Freud’s Legacy to "Christian Psychology"
(Warning: This Stream is Polluted)


In contrast to the pure, cleansing, healing, and life-giving waters of the Word of God, the world offers the polluted streams of psychotherapy. One of those streams, in which many Christians continue to dip, is psychoanalysis.

Psychoanalysis was invented by Sigmund Freud (1856-1939). Though he has been dead for many years, the deadly poison of his bizarre theories has infected nearly every system of psychological counseling. Moreover, Freudian concepts and terms have so permeated our society that they are generally treated as facts about human nature.

For instance, numerous people refer to the id, ego, and superego as if these entities truly exist, as if they are well-defined compartments of the personality. They do not realize that Freudian concepts and terms were concocted in Freud’s own mind. But, that’s the way most psychological systems are formed. They are an attempt to define and explain the inner workings of all persons, but the psychological theorist ends up defining and explaining himself according to his own subjectivity.

That such a system for understanding mankind is flawed should be evident from the ever-increasing number of psychological theories that often contradict each other. Moreover, for the Christian, any such system should be seen as flawed because of the deceitfulness of the heart ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9). Because of the noetic effects of the fall, man’s view of himself will be flawed. Thus each person who creates a psychological theory to explain the human condition will have at best a flawed view of himself. But, when people attempt to explain human nature in a universal manner, they fail even more miserably unless they are guided by the Holy Spirit and find their understanding in Scripture.

Freud did not do that. In fact, Freud was adamantly opposed to Christianity. Freud taught that religious doctrines are all illusions and that religion is "the universal obsessional neurosis of humanity."

He viewed religion as the source of mental problems and thus formed all of his notions from a godless position. Nevertheless, Freud’s views influenced our culture to the degree that many Christians began to doubt the effectiveness of the Bible and the church in dealing with life’s problems. All the while, Freud argued that belief in God was delusionary and therefore evil.

Psychotherapy, from its very beginning, created doubt about Christianity. Freud effectively eroded confidence in Christianity and established negative ideas concerning Christianity that prevail today. He negatively influenced the faith and affected the attitudes of many people concerning the role of the church in healing troubled souls.

Numerous psychoanalytic myths devised by Freud are imbedded in our culture. Many people believe them as if they are facts. The following statements are Freudian myths:

1. The id, ego, and superego are actual parts of the human psyche.

2. A person’s unconscious drives behavior more than his conscious mind chooses behavior.

3. Dreams are keys to understanding the unconscious and thus the person.

More myths:

4. Present behavior is determined by unresolved conflicts from childhood.

5. Many people are in denial because they have repressed unpleasant memories into the unconscious.

6. Parents are to blame for most people’s problems.

7. People need insight into their past to make significant changes in thoughts, attitudes and actions.

8. Children must successfully pass through their "psychosexual stages" of development or they will suffer from neurosis later on.

9. If I am to experience significant change, I must remember and re-experience painful incidents in my past.

10. The first five years of life determine what a person will be like when he grows up.

11. Everything that has ever happened to me is located in my unconscious mind.

12. People use unconscious defense mechanisms to cope with life.

Many of these Freudian myths permeate the thinking of numerous Christians and "Christian psychologists."

(From PALV3N6)


PsychoHeresy Awareness Ministries, 4137 Primavera Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93110
www.psychoheresy-aware.org

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59 posted on 12/31/2002 8:52:50 AM PST by Jael
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Whoa. Yes, psycho-stuff is dangerous, BUT, none of it changes the premise of the story, that the bishops DID rely on this stuff for a time. Now they know it doesn't work.

60 posted on 12/31/2002 8:56:02 AM PST by Desdemona
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