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To: Jael
From The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: "Also in <1 Pet 1:2> those to whom the apostle is writing are characterized as "elect according to the foreknowledge (prognosis) of God," where the election is based on the "foreknowledge." By the prognosis or foreknowledge, however, far more is meant than prescience. It has the idea of a purpose which determines the course of the Divine procedure. If it meant simply pre-vision of faith or love or any quality in the objects of the election, Peter would not only flatly contradict Paul ; but also such a rendering would conflict with the context of this passage, because the objects of election are chosen "unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of .... Christ," so that their new obedience and relation to Christ are determined by their election by God, which election springs from a "foreknowledge" which therefore cannot mean a mere prescience." Oops....I guess you can't fall back on foreknowledge either.
83 posted on 12/31/2002 2:14:15 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
BTw, some claim people are not predestined to salvation, only obedience etc. Well, if that were so, why does 1 Peter 1:2 include being chosen FOR SPRINKLING OF THE BLODD OF CHRIST? This is an obvious reference to salvation, a cleansing of the sinful nature.
89 posted on 12/31/2002 2:19:24 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas; Jael; xzins
From The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: "Also in <1 Pet 1:2> those to whom the apostle is writing are characterized as "elect according to the foreknowledge (prognosis) of God," where the election is based on the "foreknowledge." By the prognosis or foreknowledge, however, far more is meant than prescience. It has the idea of a purpose which determines the course of the Divine procedure. If it meant simply pre-vision of faith or love or any quality in the objects of the election, Peter would not only flatly contradict Paul ; but also such a rendering would conflict with the context of this passage, because the objects of election are chosen "unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of .... Christ," so that their new obedience and relation to Christ are determined by their election by God, which election springs from a "foreknowledge" which therefore cannot mean a mere prescience." Oops....I guess you can't fall back on foreknowledge either.

The ISBE is clearly coming from a Calvinist viewpoint, since Peter would not contradict Paul if he was saying that God 'pre-knew' who would believe and who would not given the light of the Gospel (2Cor.4:4) Paul was saying the same thing in Romans 8:28

Although we are nowhere told what it is in the foreknowledge of God that determines His choice, the repeated teachings of Scripture that man is responsible for accepting or rejecting salvation necessitates our postulating that it is man's reaction to the revelation God has made of Himself that is the basis of election. May we repeat: Since mankind is hopelessly dead in trespasses and sins and can do nothing to obtain salvation, God graciously restores to all men sufficent ability to make a choice in the matter of submission to Him. This is the salvation brining grace of God that has appeared to all men. In His foreknowledge He perceives what each one will do with this restored ability, and elects men to salvation in harmony with His knowledge of their choice of Him. There is no merit in this transaction...(Henry C. Thiessen, Introductory Lectures in Systmatic Theology, p.344-45)

581 posted on 01/04/2003 3:04:31 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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