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To: IGNATIUS; 2sheep
So,why do Lindsey and nearly all other presumably Christian celebrity TV Protestant apologists for present day Israel make such a big deal about rebuilding a temple??

Because

1) they won't admit that the Church is the defiled temple,
2) it's easier to let the Jews take the rap for unbelief,
3) Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.

Meet the New Israel, same as the old Israel.

Hebrews 3:14-19

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

6 posted on 12/28/2002 12:01:24 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; DouglasKC; ALS; Eagle Eye; Simcha7; babylonian; shaggy eel; ...
>Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Rightly stated.  The big "IF" appears again and the famine of understanding* (shema) the word of the Lord has made Christendom a desert and a wilderness in which most fall away.

Am 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing* (shema) the words of the LORD.

Words and Images mean things even if people foolishly seek to change their meanings.  That is why G-d made commandments about them and talked about them so much.

Sun Worship in Church Vocabulary

Too Long in the Sun: Images -- excerpt:

The Egyptians dedicated many obelisks to Ra, the god of the sun. The obelisk shape has been defined as that of a phallic symbol, or a ray of the sun extending to heaven. Today obelisks, or steeples adorn many buildings which have been labeled as churches. Does this honor our Creator?  ...

Another "image" that has supposedly been "Christianized" is that of the "mother and child".  We have shown that the worship of the mother and her child, the re-incarnated sun god, has been one of the main components of sun worship since ancient times. The child represented the reborn sun god, proclaimed to be husband of the mother. That enabled her to claim the title "mother of god" - "queen of heaven".

Please notice the "nimbus" surrounding the heads in many depictions of the "mother and child." This "nimbus’ or radiant light, in the form of a circle or halo, originated in sun worship. The nimbus was used to indicate the radiance of the sun gods or goddesses.

There were no such depictions of the Biblical Mary and Christ by early believers. Later, however, as paganism began to corrupt the worship of God these representations began to be accepted by those calling themselves Christians. Mary was given the title "Theotokos - Mother of God" and these icons began to be placed on the eastern wall of churches, toward the rising sun, where they had always been in the pagan temples.

The only honest conclusion that can be drawn is that there is no Biblical, archaeological or historical evidence that any of the before mentioned "images" were used by first century believers. Where did these symbols originate?

We will again quote the "church" historian Tertullian - He sums it up nicely from a human standpoint: "If, for these and other such rules, you insist upon having positive Scripture injunction, you will find none. Tradition will be held forth to you as the originator of them, custom as their strengthener, and faith as their observer."

Jesus sums it up perfectly: "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

 Christmas Before Christ? The Surprising Story
10 posted on 12/28/2002 1:47:30 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter
Who is this Babylon you keep talking about? - excerpt:
ANSWER:  First, we must realize that Babylon (Bavel in Hebrew, meaning "confusion") is ALL about power.  It has to do with religious, economic, and political power and control.  To find the modern day Babel we must first find the first Babel in the Scriptures.

In Genesis 10:8-10 and chapter 11 we find this city was built by Nimrod (a type of satan), and it was the source of the first great apostasy against Yahweh.  Here the "Babylonian mystery cult" was started by Nimrod.  The objects of worship were the "Supreme Father," the "Incarnate Female," or the Queen of heaven, and her Son.  A trinity of g-ds!  They built a tower to reach heaven, and wage war on Yahweh.  The purpose was to rule the world by these doctrines of demons.  After the destruction of the tower, these false doctrines were carried all over the world and infiltrated EVERY MAN-MADE RELIGION!

***
This mother/child cult spread to the Roman Empire, and in the third century became part of the "Chr-stian?" faith.  ALL the rites of the original Babylonian cult began to come to the front, and paganism ruled the Messianic faith.  It was no longer***a completely different religion,*** with no connection to its roots.  It ALL revolved around sun worship, and the mother/child worship. ... ***
 The Two Babylons: The Mother and Child, and the Original of the Child

 Blue Honey - Sun Worship Gallery - lots of images here.  This is a shaman site laughing at deceived Christians who know not what they worship.

 Google Search: mother child "sun worship"

12 posted on 12/28/2002 2:22:01 PM PST by 2sheep
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