Posted on 12/24/2002 4:49:47 PM PST by RMrattlesnake
Dangers of False Doctrines
By Darren Morrison
1 Timothy 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truths. Heresies leave people hopeless when they think they have hope. They are things that sound good and true but lead to destruction. The cults of the world will use some truth, like putting poison in honey. They will tell us that certain meats are a sin to eat or that all meats are sinful. They will forbid us to marry or tell us when and to whom we can marry and even what we can do in the marriage bed. Telling priests they cannot marry is found nowhere in the bible. If your church has a doctrine that is found nowhere in the bible, then how to you weigh it as truth. The bible is our counterweight on the scale of truth, because we must weigh everything with the bible. If the bible says it, it is truth. If it is not found in there then it is false or trivial. If it were important for us to know it would be found in the bible.
This is a time of theological confusion and compromise. A time when so many people have turned aside the truth to follow after things that fit their personal beliefs. How often do I meet a person involved in a false doctrine say that the religion they are involved with matched what they believed so they joined. Psalms 58:3. The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Therefore if the bible is true, and it is, we must not follow after our own judgment.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. You see the bible warns us clearly about the false doctrines out there and we must be aware of them. Romans 16:17. Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. So the word of GOD also instructs us what we are to do here and that is to mark them and then avoid them.
Titus 1:13. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14. Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. So we are to rebuke them, this also includes the person sitting next to you in church that will tell you false doctrines or fables. Within the patriot movement there are many fables today. So I do not have to wary about old Jewish fables so much but there are many fables out there told by so-called people of our faith. I was told that Christians we going to have to run and hide when the government comes to give out small pox vaccines. This is a fable and the bible doesn’t tell me to run but to stay and feed the flocks or to stay and preach the gospel.
Ephesians 5:11. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. That means we are not to allow the Jehovah witnesses into your house for tea. We can talk to them at our doorstep. But don’t let them into your house for discussion.
2 Thessalonians 3:6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. This may seem harsh in the standards of the world, but it is there so we don’t get caught up in their heresies or follow them into rebellion.
2 Timothy 3:5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. We are told in the word of GOD that we ought to turn away from those who turn toward false doctrines that deny the power of Jesus over sin and salvation.
2 John:10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. As I said do not let those who come with another doctrine into your house. Don’t bless them or offer then money. Tell them the truth, that which cometh from the word of GOD. Do not fellowship with them whatsoever. They are dangerous. 2 Thessalonians 3:14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
Titus 3:10. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;. We need to reject them that are a heretick. Of coarse we should witness to them in love, but not befriend them to the point were they can influence us.
2 Corinthians 6:17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. We are to be separate from the world and we must remember to be separate from those who have a false doctrine.
From the time of the early church even when the apostles were still walking the earth there were false doctrines. To us many false doctrines are obvious, but some are less obvious. Some can come from the person who visits your church. Some can grow inside people in your church many even next to you. Some times those who come to your door have false doctrines sometimes you hear it on Christian radio stations as well. Sometimes rebellion toward the government is told as if it were part of Christian doctrine, which it is not. Beware fellow believers. False doctrines are so thick these days. There are even churches out there that ordain women as Deacons and Bishops when the bible teaches otherwise. There are longhaired hippy-like Christians who want to live according to their way instead of GOD’s way. There are those who marry homosexuals and even ordain them as preachers. There are churches that teach the most loony doctrines. If the bible says it, believe it and if it doesn’t don’t. Beware brothers and sisters.
Read your bible and pray every day. Attend a church where the bible is the only doctrine taught there, one where they teach out of no other books. I would recommend an unaffiliated independent fundamental Baptist church. Once you find a church that has the doctrine of the bible submit to it.
I look to the whole of the New Testament. If you want to ignore the form of worship presented in Revelation, then you can. But the verse is there. There is no prohibition ANYWHERE in the bible against using musical instruments in worship, and the whole of the Old Testament and the Revelation of Christ in the New testament argue in favor of musical instruments in worship.
Again all of your arguments are from silence. The scriptures do not back up your dogma. Indeed, the scriptures argue against it.
I will leave you with a few more questions.
Did the Church that exsisted for decades with nothing for scripture except the Old Testament perform water baptisms for the remission of sin?
Did the Church that exsisted for decades with nothing for scripture except the Old Testament adhere to the Laws of Moses and the Prophets?
Indeed your insistence on keeping insturments out of worship smacks of the legalism you say we are no longer bound by.
The New Testament does not support your position. Period.
You are correct, there is no prohibition mentioned.
However, the bible gives many examples and patterns of how we are to worship and none include instruments.
Having said that, when the judgement day comes will the Lord say to a man "you have been a good servant but you played a guitar when you sung praises to my Father so you can not enter the Kingdom?" I will not pretend that I can speak for God, but as I see this issue of instrumental music in worship I'd rather not add to what has been revealed.
An example that I have heard used to illustrate the point of agruing from silence goes back to Noah and what was revealed to him for the construction of the ark.
Gen.6
[14] Make yourself an ark of gopher wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. [15] This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. [16] Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and set the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks.
Very specific in his commandment to Noah. There is no specific prohibition to Noah against putting a flag pole to fly his family seal.
Now, the question is this:
Would Noah be disobeying God if he decided to add a flag pole?
Point taken. It certainly does smack of legalism.
Without a direct commandment or a necessary inference for the use of instruments in worship I feel fairly confident that my singing and making melody to the Lord with all my heart is sufficent and I rather not risk adding what I think is acceptable to what has been revealed.
Maybe instrumental music in worship is acceptable but we can't say for sure from what is revealed in the examples and patterns of the NT. So it is a risk I'd rather not take.
Does that make any sense?
do you realize how silly your arguments have become? This tells me that you have no support fro your position. NONE!
God said to Noah: "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of....
God gave Noah the basic outline and the absolute requirements. The rest was up to the discretion of Noah. I can't help but notice that God didn't tell him to build ramps or stairs between the decks, did he? Don't you think he put some in? Now would Noah have been in violation of God's Commandments if he had built some ramps? And what about furniture? Would Noah have been in violation of God's commandments if he put a bed in the boat? Of course not. I'm sure God knew that Noah would do whatever was within his discretion to get the job done. Did he use nails? Was he told to use nails? NO! Was he told to use dowels? NO! Was he told how to cut the wood? NO! Was he told to use 2x4's or 4x4's? NO! Was he told whether or not to dry the wood before he cut it into lumber? NO! And did he put a flag pole on it? Who cares?
There were a lot of basic things that were necessary to build the ark that God did not even discuss with Noah. He basically told him to build it according to his outline and the methodolgy was entirely up to Noah.
The same can be said of worship. God tells us to worship him. He gives us the basic outline and quite frankly that basic outline is set forth in the Psalms in the Old Testament and that method included using all sorts of musical instruments in worship and praise. He does not tell us that with the New Covenatnt that we are to abandon the methods of worship that were traditionally a part of his Chosen People.
Here's a question. Has God authorized you to discuss religious matters on a computer? I don't think you will find any such commandment in the New Testament. If you want to be consistent, you will use the new testmaent method and get out your quill and grab a piece of lambskin or papyrii before you respond to this post. And you will write it in either greek, hebrew or Aramaic.
Go for it! Praise the Lord.
I just think you are missing out on the full expression of worship by keeping out the beautiful sounds of the various musical instruments that God has blessed us as human beings with the capacity to enjoy. I believe it is possible to worship God merely by listening to the instruments and if God has blessed someone with a talent to play beautiful music to Glorify God, then why should we exclude him or her from the worship service? What if someone is a mute, but can play the piano? Should he be barred from using his talents to praise the Lord?
Those talents should be used for the glory of God. To exclude these instruments from worship is to condemn them and those whom God has blessed with these talents to the secular world.
I refered to necessary inference in my last post and all the points you state would fall into that catagory. As for the flag pole example that would be an addition to the fashion, outline and requirements. Maybe not the best of examples. I will try to make a better one.
Again, the issue of adding to what has been revealed in example and pattern is one of the slippery slope.
If a person or a church takes the stand that if something is not specifically prohibited then it must be acceptable in worship then the door is wide open for all manner of error.
God Bless,
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Salient points are made about changing doctrine due to the new light of understanding (via new historical discoveries, better understanding of languages used, etc and so on). The church has done a fine job in many areas, but I am still left with an empty feeling about them.
The main reason being is that they have gutted the bible in a way which takes it from being the word of God and making the word of nobody really knows who (Examples of this abound, from the book of Revelation which they waffle on Authorship on, to saying that some of the psalms were originally used by others to praise baal and were borrowed word for word by the hebrews).
Now I am one who likes to examine and understand (hence my collection of old historical books which I use to get a better understanding of scripture from another perspective). And I can see doing parallel studies, analyzing language and comparing things. But it seems that there is no real bible in the catholic hierarchy that actually means anything - at least anything concrete. They talk on one hand about the gospels and how they are possible written by a group of people here, or maybe this was borrowed from there, etc and so on whittling away any credibility which the bible holds. And then they want you to believe the bible as they interpret it.
I am not opposed to critical analysis and I do a lot of it myself in trying to better understand the word. But I have taken the view that it is Holy and that the way we have been given it today is how God wanted us to have it - and he used his influence through the ages to bring it to us this way. To think otherwise is to say that the very words inspired by God have been commandered by man alone and shaped to fit his own needs.
I do not see how any catholic can quote the bible as one can readily look up those quotes in catholic dictionaries and other works and show that those same verses really mean nothing according to the church (in other words, God had nothing to do with the bible so quoting it is of little use).
Forgive this if it seems an 'attack' on catholics. We all get doctrine from somewhere, but it appears in my own personal studies over many years that the bible is not the word of God at all to catholics, and without that foundation what is there? There is a difference in trying to learn more about the bible, who wrote it, and how it all fits into history and trying to simply say the bible is just another book which happens to mention how some people recorded their experiences relating to events.
Perhaps I will rant some more later. I am not siding with fellow 'fundies', nor am I saying group A is 'better' then group 'B'. I am merely wondering honestly about the core of the various sects of christian faiths (of which I see being the bible) and asking 'What do catholics think of the bible?'.
I look forward to intelligent discussions on this matter, and hope flamers save their fireballs for the liberals ;)
Fact is Salvation comes from repents and beliving not from sprinkling water on babies forheads.
The catholic church does not follow the teachings of JESUS.
Screaming falsehoods won't make them true.
Have a Happy New Year. May you lose your bitterness in the coming year.
It is not a false hood, Jesus did not teach the thangs that the Catholic's teach. I am not being mean to catholics I am just stating facts. I love catholics that is why I want them to know the truth Jesus said the truth will set you free.
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