[Catholicguy]

Well, frankly, the circumstances under which it was said, by the speaker, and to whom it was said, closely parallel the current circumstances. Except that some may challenge your possibly slightly-premature canonization, CG. ;-)

<> LOL Well, I have often said (semi-joking) that given my love of fighting(among other myriad sins), I would need martyrdom just to sneak into the lowest ring of Purgatory

As regards your use of language, I call you the Charity Sheriff as a compliment and the wall of my den is nearly completely papered with your citations :)

You took on an enormous burden when you decided to re-form me:)<>

[drstevej]

I am interested in your reaction and others to my observations in post Post 768.

In some ways I am saying both sides are right.

[1] Vatican II (as the quote suggests) does retain RC theology consistent with Trent and is only "apparent" openness.

[2] Yet this openness has backfired strategically.