You have twisted yourself into an untenable position with the above nonsense. By your measure above, the dogmatic Council of Vatican I was heretical and schismatic. Or didn't you know that the dogmatic Council of Vatican I determined that some 40 popes out of some 250 were associated with schism and heresy.LOL. What the heck does “associated with schism and heresy” mean? I recall some time ago when discussing the excommunication of the Society Bishops, their schismatic status, and what effect that had on the laity that went to thier chapels. You had a certain fondness for stating that excommunication wasn’t a disease, you didn’t just catch it by going to Mass with an excommunicant. In view of that, please explain what the heck you mean by “associated” with schism. Did a Pope speak at a 4H luncheon attended by Protestant farmers?
Also, please provide the language from Vatican I you refer to. I’d be most interested.
Some were even excommunicated from the Church.LOL. You can’t even get the Schismatic Traditionalist claims right. Your line is supposed to go, “one Pope was even excommunicated POSTHUMOROUSLY.” If you care to make additional claims, please support them, otherwise I’ll assume that all you have to rely on is the usual claim about Honorius.
Pope Honorius was condemned not because he taught heresy, but because of his permissive attitude toward the heresy of Monothelitism. When Pope Leo II confirmed the anathema borne by the 6th Ecumenical Council ( Constantinople II – 680-681 ) against Pope Honorius, he taught us that the crime consists in this: Honorius did not extinguish the fire of heresy at its beginning as was fitting for Apostolic Authority to do, but on the contrary he fomented it by his guilty negligence.Unless of course your including the nutcase sedevacantist style “Popes” who have excommunicated JPII:
New Pope Elevated--Pope John Paul II Excommunicated: Lucian Pulvermacher, the Capucin Priest whom Catholic traditionalists recently elevated as the new "Pope Pius XIII," continues his campaign to "reform" the Catholic Church and return the apostate church to its original roots. At a recent conclave, the splinter group headed by Pius XIII deposed and excommunicated Pope John Paul II.
patent +AMDG
You can find a reference here. I don't have the energy to find you numerous sources for this so this one will have to do:
In drafting the definition of the Dogma of Infallibility in 1869, the periti of Vatican Council I actually discovered that more than forty popes had preached personal doctrinal errors in preceding centuries, though not in an infallible context.