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To: Zviadist
You want to see where the non-watered down Catholic faith is thriving and spreading? You want to see where children at the earliest age know exponentially more about the Faith than folks like me, who found the traditional Mass after years in the wilderness? ...This is the remnant that will restore the Faith when these terrible times have passed. Even just thinking about it makes me very optimistic...

There are some seriously important things in your post and it's wonderful that you've found your niche, but remember that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And, yes, that does go for everybody. Also, as there is some contradictory information regarding the status of SSPX, many of us desiring a return to conservative orthodoxy are going to chose to stay in the main body of the church and fight for change there. Each side of the schismatic debate presents some pretty hefty names and there's too much contradiction.

The main problem most of us have, again, is the attacks on the pope. There have been bad popes in the past and there will be more in the future. I'm still not convinced that this pope is such the failure as presented by the SSPX devotees. He's a street priest and that effects his outlook and modus operendi. In rebuilding, the underpinnings are what need to be strengthened, particularly people wise, and honestly, there are many liberals not at all happy with some of this pope's choices for bishops, particularly in the last 10 years. That alone is good sign.

As for the Broadway productions masquerading as Mass, you all have a point and I'll give it to you. But until we reinstitute community parish theater so individuals and "liturgists" can have a performance outlet, it's not going to go away quietly.
417 posted on 12/03/2002 8:24:04 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
There are some seriously important things in your post and it's wonderful that you've found your niche, but remember that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Hey...I never claimed to be warm and fuzzy. Besides, the stakes are too high to water down the message.

The main problem most of us have, again, is the attacks on the pope. There have been bad popes in the past and there will be more in the future...He's a street priest and that effects his outlook and modus operendi.

I disagree with your assessment of this pope. He is not a street fighter. He is a serious intellectual, and was one long before he became pope. It is the subject matter of his study and his approach to the subject that is most concerning.

I don't think you would disagree that it is the responsibility of the faithful to defend the faith...even against a pope if he were to stray from recieved Tradition. It has been done in the past and it will be done again. Looking objectively at the actions of this pope, one cannot but wonder whether this resistance is not in order now. Surely you cannot defend the various novelties he has introduced and presided over, not to mention the refusal to clean out the sewer of the American Bishops.

421 posted on 12/03/2002 8:35:58 AM PST by Zviadist
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