[Zviadist]

Thank you very much for this very interesting post. It, of course, makes perfect sense. It is useful to have a bit of the history to back it up, however. Your explanation at the end was particularly insightful, as it cuts to the heart of the issue: the new Mass is all about the people -- from the priest facing the congregation to the accessibility of the language and many of the other innovations -- while the Traditional Latin Mass is all about God. Anyone who has attended both will feel it instinctively.

It is impossible to deny the subtle -- or perhaps not so subtle -- reorientation (indeed the word is appropriate!) of the Church as exemplified by this reorientation of the Mass. Anyone familiar with JPII's intellectual history (extensive writings on humanism, etc.) will understand why he feels a "mystical" attraction to Vatican II. And why he has done as little as possible -- just enough to contain any open revolt -- to maintain the Traditional Mass.

We are talking about a new faith here, when taking all of this to its logical conclusion -- a move away from God and toward Man. I cannot speak for the King of Kings, but somehow I don't think this is what he had in mind for us. I think the decayed fruits of Vatican II are evidence enough of this displeasure.

[Catholicguy]

We are talking about a new faith here, when taking all of this to its logical conclusion -- a move away from God and toward Man. I cannot speak for the King of Kings, but somehow I don't think this is what he had in mind for us. I think the decayed fruits of Vatican II are evidence enough of this displeasure

<> Do you foilks EVER stop and think about the consequences of your self-serving statements? You say that The King of Kings is displeased with Vatican II "decayed fruits".

That being so, you have to accept that he was REALLY angry at you trad-clowns and so He let Vatican II happen.

Your "logic" cuts both ways<>