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To: BlackElk
While you're defending the indefensible--popes and cardinals bowing down to Allah--all the while attacking solid Catholics who prefer the fullness of the Catholic faith to becoming Protestants, take a little time out to read the article. Your ignorance needs schooling badly.
16 posted on 11/29/2002 9:15:40 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
...attacking solid Catholics who prefer the fullness of the Catholic faith...

You got me lost! What is it exactly, in your opinion, the fullness of the Catholic faith? It seems something much better than the Pope or even Jesus would have imagined.

BTW, I found a nice little anti-Pope for you on www.truecatholic.org. Enjoy!

Papal Photo Gallery
His Holiness Pope Pius XIII 
July 4, 1999

Papal Photo Gallery
The White Smoke
Burning of the Ballots at the Conclave of 1998.   Actual photo of the White Smoke signaling the election of Pope Pius XIII to the Chair of St. Peter.

Papal Photo Gallery
Pope Pius XIII - Papal Oath

Papal Photo Gallery
Pope Pius XIII in good spirits after his Episcopal Consecration
(with Cardinal Bateman)
July 4, 1999

19 posted on 11/29/2002 10:34:59 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: ultima ratio
I attack disrespectful, disobedient, taste-obsessive schismatics, and have yet to attack a solid Catholic. Solid Catholics do not despise papal authority. The protest against papal authority is of the essence of Protestantism. You continually support your hatred of papal authority by creating strawmen. Many of us do not disagree with the idea that Latin ought to continue to be the language of the Church but it is NOT an essential.

Many of us do not disagree with the idea that the Tridentine Mass is usually said more reverently than the Novus Ordo (without a need for it to take an exaggerated hour and a half for a normal High Mass just to show our fellow man how VERY reverent we truly are), but recognize that there are also reverent Novus Ordo Masses.

Many of us prefer that the priest OUGHT to face ad orientem rather than ad populum, that the Sacrament of Penance OUGHT to be conducted in traditional confessionals (although again that is NOT an essential) and ought NEVER to be administered en masse other than in strict emergencies, that there are Novus Ordo priests, bishops and laity every bit as insolent, disrespectful and disobedient as the schismatic SSPX and, perhaps, even more so.

None of the above or any of the repetitive ravings of offended calcified trads amounts to a justification for the disrespect, disobedience, disdain and absolutely diabolical hallmark of your "movement", the ingrained habit of the sin which is the rebelliousness shared by SSPX with the worst of the reformation.

When your little temporary sect illicitly ordains priests and illicitly consecrates bishops, it ordains and consecrates IN and FOR disobedience, rebellion, insolence and dissent from the only legitimate religious authority available among men: the Vatican and the papacy in particular. You and that sect of yours then compound this by poisoning the souls of your young people against the papacy itself (against the Vicariate of Christ on earth).

I certainly hope that you get around to repenting before going the way of all flesh. If you want to adhere to this schism to your dying day, tugging pitifully at the sleeves of obedient Catholics bleating your petty arguments against the Church itself, have a party but it may well be both negative and eternal. God did not designate you to judge the pope any more than he designated Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Woods, Ferrara, Droleskey, Marcel Lefevbre or a legion of their respective followers to do so.

Neither SSPX nor Tom Woods nor Chris Ferrara nor Tom Drolesky nor the Remnant nor any other self-appointed religious authority will prevail against the Church any more than the other gates of hell. It's a guarantee on the Highest Authority.

For Catholics, Catholicism ought to be a norm, a sign of contradiction to the world, to be sure, but normal life for Catholics nonetheless and the safest of spiritual harbors welcoming a world weary of the consequences of the world's sorry standards.

We Catholics ought to be able to wear and live our Catholicism with a sense of joy in the conviction that Our Savior lives and, through the Paraclete, continues to govern the Church's life through His vicar on earth and we will. That vision does not seem satisfy you and others like you who worship themselves, their tastes, their opinions and, above all, (don't burn your fingers on their foreheads) your unjustified presumption of theological and prudential adequacy. It is unfortunate that your apparent need to draw attention to yourselves is more important to you than humility before and obedience to the best pope you will ever see and his successors whoever they may be.

27 posted on 11/30/2002 6:33:11 AM PST by BlackElk
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