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To: RnMomof7
Mom,
Catholics DON'T WORSHIP MARY! GET IT!

Please stop trying to label us as idolators. You sound like the Moslems calling all of us infidels.

Why do you go on the prayer request threads and intercede for someone? Why do any of us put out a prayer request if we can go directly to Jesus?
24 posted on 11/20/2002 5:34:40 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
     Exd 20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me

Do Catholics kneel infront of statues of Mary? Do they light candles in front of statues of Mary and Saints? Do they place flowers in front of Mary and the Saints?

Do they have prayers they say to her?

Those are all signgs of worship

READ the commandment

I have read too many prayers that go "mother help me. Mother comfort them etc...that is NOT intersession

Erasmus's teaching rejected the material means to salvation so often peddled to the laity, emphasizing that such things distracted from discovering Jesus. Like Luther, he was particularly scornful of popular Catholic attitudes (and the clergy's exploitation of those attitudes) toward saints, writing in 1503,

Now there are not a few who are given over to the veneration of saints, with elaborate ceremonies. Some, for example, have a great devotion to St. Christopher. Provided his statue is in sight, they pray to him almost every day. Why do they do this? It is because they wish to be preserved from a sudden and unprovided-for death that day. There are others who have a great devotion to St. Roch.... This has gone to the extent that each nation has its own. Among the French St. Paul is esteemed, among us Germans St. Jerome has a special place. . . . This kind of piety, since it does not refer either our fears or our desires to Christ, is hardly a Christian practice. [3]

The saints were good, and one should respect their teachings, but "we kiss the shoes of the Saints and their dirty handkerchiefs and we leave their books, their most holy and efficacious relics, neglected." [4] Erasmus asked his Christians to return to the primary, to their Christ.

Some apostacy never changes


28 posted on 11/20/2002 6:44:32 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ThomasMore
"Catholics DON'T WORSHIP MARY! GET IT! "

It would seem that since you ask her to intercede you bestow a God-like power on her.

How can she hear the millions of prayers offered to her in every tongue and be able to sort them and understand them? Is she all knowing? Does she or the saints become omnisciencent in heaven?

If by your petitions to her you're not granting her power only attributed to God, how does she do it?

BTW Glad to her about your daughter and her child. Praise God!!

33 posted on 11/20/2002 7:23:33 PM PST by Joshua
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