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To: tiki; Polycarp
It is very easy to point a finger at non Catholics and to seek their demise on FR because they interfer with your agenda ...but the truth was spoken by your own and never heeded...that is why the Spirit departed..he will not always strive with men

I am not the issue ..the light is the issue

Erasmus feared that the ceremonies outweighed the meanings in the Catholic Church; he wanted to teach people to revere and think about those meanings.

Erasmus's teaching rejected the material means to salvation so often peddled to the laity, emphasizing that such things distracted from discovering Jesus. Like Luther, he was particularly scornful of popular Catholic attitudes (and the clergy's exploitation of those attitudes) toward saints, writing in 1503,


Now there are not a few who are given over to the veneration of saints, with elaborate ceremonies. Some, for example, have a great devotion to St. Christopher. Provided his statue is in sight, they pray to him almost every day. Why do they do this? It is because they wish to be preserved from a sudden and unprovided-for death that day. There are others who have a great devotion to St. Roch.... This has gone to the extent that each nation has its own. Among the French St. Paul is esteemed, among us Germans St. Jerome has a special place. . . . This kind of piety, since it does not refer either our fears or our desires to Christ, is hardly a Christian practice. [3]

The saints were good, and one should respect their teachings, but "we kiss the shoes of the Saints and their dirty handkerchiefs and we leave their books, their most holy and efficacious relics, neglected." [4] Erasmus asked his Christians to return to the primary, to their Christ.
10 posted on 11/19/2002 1:47:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
It has little to do with Catholics versus non-Catholics. It has much to do with just plain mean spiritedness. You may not think that you sound hateful and angry at anyone who doesn't believe as you do but you do.

You think you know what everyone else should believe; while I will leave that in the hands of the Lord. Your hatred shows so much that I wince when I read some of your posts. Even if I and others were pagans or atheists you would have no call to say some of the things you do. I accept that you don't believe what I do and I don't care! If God does, he'll change your belief and I have full faith in God that if I should not believe in Him through the Catholic Church, He will enlighten me. In the meantime, I find myself becoming as small-minded as you when I deal with you and so I won't anymore.

You seem to be the one with an agenda. You are the one who comes to Catholic posts, not I going to whatever other threads you post on. I have no care that you are on FR and post. I don't even care if you continue to answer my posts, that is your prerogative but I am using my own free will to ignore you. God Bless You and may all the Angels and Saints pray for you with a special intercession from Mary, the mother of God who magnifies the Lord.

11 posted on 11/19/2002 5:28:03 PM PST by tiki
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