Posted on 11/19/2002 7:35:23 AM PST by Polycarp
Does the Lord take orders from anyone? Is he a henpecked son?
Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exd 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me
Take this seriously ladies there are spiritual curses on those that break theses commandments He is a jealous God. He is the God that managed to make the world and form man without the help of a godess
The scriptures are full of Jesus asking her to pray for him. Why would Jesus go to the throne by himself? He had Moses, David, and all the OT saints he could ask to intercede for him.(/Sarcasm)
Let me know. If this works I'm going to ask my Mother to intercede for me. She was a saint...
Do Catholics kneel infront of statues of Mary? Do they light candles in front of statues of Mary and Saints? Do they place flowers in front of Mary and the Saints?
Do they have prayers they say to her?
Those are all signgs of worship
READ the commandment
I have read too many prayers that go "mother help me. Mother comfort them etc...that is NOT intersession
Erasmus's teaching rejected the material means to salvation so often peddled to the laity, emphasizing that such things distracted from discovering Jesus. Like Luther, he was particularly scornful of popular Catholic attitudes (and the clergy's exploitation of those attitudes) toward saints, writing in 1503,
Now there are not a few who are given over to the veneration of saints, with elaborate ceremonies. Some, for example, have a great devotion to St. Christopher. Provided his statue is in sight, they pray to him almost every day. Why do they do this? It is because they wish to be preserved from a sudden and unprovided-for death that day. There are others who have a great devotion to St. Roch.... This has gone to the extent that each nation has its own. Among the French St. Paul is esteemed, among us Germans St. Jerome has a special place. . . . This kind of piety, since it does not refer either our fears or our desires to Christ, is hardly a Christian practice. [3]
The saints were good, and one should respect their teachings, but "we kiss the shoes of the Saints and their dirty handkerchiefs and we leave their books, their most holy and efficacious relics, neglected." [4] Erasmus asked his Christians to return to the primary, to their Christ.
Some apostacy never changes
Would you give me some quotes on that ?
Thanks to the internet I did..
BTW I know someone that prays to his dead mother. I knew her and she was no saint:>)
It would seem that since you ask her to intercede you bestow a God-like power on her.
How can she hear the millions of prayers offered to her in every tongue and be able to sort them and understand them? Is she all knowing? Does she or the saints become omnisciencent in heaven?
If by your petitions to her you're not granting her power only attributed to God, how does she do it?
BTW Glad to her about your daughter and her child. Praise God!!
Well, I would hopefully listen to the prodding of the Holy Spirit.
This is a very good thing to do. It raises the question: how do we know whether we are following the prodding of the Holy Spirit, or perhaps some other prodding?
As an example, those fine folks, the Mormons, decide that their religion is true, because they "feel" a "burning in the bosom," which they believe is an assurance, or sign, that the Holy Spirit has endorsed their leaders and their scripture.
My firm belief is that we must necessarily have a solid, objective reality, with which to compare our experiences (and what we are taught) so that we can, as well as mortal sinners can, decide whether it be from God, or someone else.
As an example:
(you wrote): My screen name, tiki is a derivative of a Proper name and has absolutely nothing to do with any pagan god.
Tiki is, explicitly and exactly, the name of a false pagan god, and the idols by which certain people worship it, to this very day. I am sure that you had no intention to name a false god when you chose your screen name.
And if it does, I would say that the problem is yours in that you are looking for evil where it doesn't exist.
This sentence illustrates exactly the point I made above. What I wrote:
(BTW, are you aware that your screen name is both a polynesian idol, and false god?)
For some unknown reason (maybe you were tired, or ill, etc.) when you read that simple, non-accusatory sentence, you BELIEVED that I was accusing you of evil (or worse, "LOOKING for evil.")
Thus, you developed a Belief System (that I was "looking for evil").
If, anywhere in the process you went through to develop that Belief System, you had merely READ THE SENTENCE, and compared what it actually said to the Belief System, you would have realized that the Belief System was not true to the clear meaning of the sentence.
I believe that that process is what we must do, when we are deciding whether we are being led by the Holy Spirit, or something else.
I suppose if someone was named Dianna or some other name which had a connection with pagan mythology, that too would be evil?
No, not today. But consider this scenario:
If, in the first century, in Ephesus, an adult Christian woman decided to take upon herself, publicly, the name of Diana (Goddess of the Ephesians). Do you suppose that Paul would have just said "Hey, catchy screen name, lady!" Or do you think he might have asked whether she was aware of the local goddess, to whom sacrifices were being offered, every day?
DG
If the tiki thing, lower case, wasn't meant as a little jab then forgive me. And no I don't think that Paul ran around changing women's names. As I said, evil is in the heart not a name.
I think you are going to be another person that I will not answer in the future. I don't need to talk to people who are so presumptuous as to feel they know so much more than I do and know what I should believe and why. You are not me, you have not experienced my experiences and you have not walked my path with God. You have absolutely no idea if I have the intelligence to fight my way out of a paper bag or whether I am a genius. And you and others of your ilk cannot force your image of God or religion on me because while I have chosen to be a Catholic,(read earlier post again) I will allow that God may have a different path for you, one that may converge on the narrow path to eternity.
That said, God bless you, have a happy, and fruitful life and goodbye.
Genius. Good post.
If you had bothered to READ what I wrote, you would know that I believe we ALL should/must have an objective standard to determine whether those "proddings" are actually from the Holy Spirit. There was never any reflection on you, personally.
Who do you rely on? Who tells you whether you are worshipping a false God or the one True God?
I, personally, attempt to follow only the Holy Bible. If something seemed to me to be from the Holy Spirit, but was contrary to the Holy Bible, I would know that my original opinion was wrong, and that the Bible was right.
Are you just more intelligent than I? Am I suppossed to come at this by the experience of your reality? Or my own.
If you had read what I wrote, you would know that these questions are, at best, a foolish insult.
If the tiki thing, lower case, wasn't meant as a little jab then forgive me.
It was precisely what I wrote: information I thought you should know. I am not certain, but it appears, (from this response):
My screen name, tiki is a derivative of a Proper name and has absolutely nothing to do with any pagan god.
that you did not know. What you choose to do with the information is your business.
And no I don't think that Paul ran around changing women's names. As I said, evil is in the heart not a name.
Again, if you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would know that I did not say anything about Paul "changing women's names." To remind you, here is what I wrote:
Do you suppose that Paul would have just said "Hey, catchy screen name, lady!" Or do you think he might have asked whether she was aware of the local goddess, to whom sacrifices were being offered, every day?
See? "ask whether she was aware." But you believed that I said something different.
I think you are going to be another person that I will not answer in the future.
This is (still) a free country.
I don't need to talk to people who are so presumptuous as to feel they know so much more than I do and know what I should believe and why.
If I wrote that I believed THAT, I was wrong. If you can't show exactly where I wrote that you are wrong. THAT is "Presumptuous."
You are not me, you have not experienced my experiences and you have not walked my path with God. You have absolutely no idea if I have the intelligence to fight my way out of a paper bag or whether I am a genius.
OK, can't argue with that.
And you and others of your ilk cannot force your image of God or religion on me
Now, you imagine that I belong to some "ilk." You have developed a substantial Belief System about me, all of which is false. You have ascribed evil motives and evil thoughts, and now you imagine that I am trying to "force (my) image of God" on you. These concepts, this Belief System, is derived entirely from your own emotional responses to what I actually wrote.
Whether you ever respond to me again, is perfectly irrelevant to me. Whether you deal effectively with the psychological projection you have demonstrated here, may well be very important to you.
DG
p.s. Remember, denial aint just a river in Egypt.
Joshua,
Does not scripture say we will become like him? Are we not part of the body of Christ? Mystery still does exist.
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