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To: xzins
"Doctrinal "fact" is a different animal than space/time fact"

Does that then place it on the same level as fairy-tale fact?

"My "faith" is not what makes it a fact."

I would suggest that it is your faith that determines how you understand, interpret and relate to that "fact", and what degree of importance that you attach to that fact.

"It is made a doctrinal fact by it's appearing in the scriptures in a clear, consistent presentation."

This is YOUR faith speaking a definition of what a doctrinal fact IS. There are many who would disagree with this yet still claim to be Christian. There are many who would disagree that anything appears in Scripture in a clear consistent manner; especially after the butchers of historical, form and redaction criticism have had their way with it!!

(For example: it is a "doctrinal fact" that Moses led the Children of Israel out of Egypt. I cannot say that Noah did it and be correct.)

If you are a pastor then you must know that there are historico-critical scholars out there who deny that Moses even existed and that this story was simply a myth created by the suffering exiles in Babylon to give encouragement to their people in adversity.

"There is no Christian who can dispute the resurrection."

There are certainly people who interpret the resurrection accounts in a none space/time/historical manner, and yet still claim to be Christians.

Where do you get your authority to deny this title to them or assert that their interpretation of the Bible is any less authentic than yours?

After all, they make their claims on the basis of the scriptural testimony, and so do you. How are the rest of us to know who is speaking with authority and truth?
89 posted on 11/18/2002 6:59:47 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
If you are a pastor then you must know that there are historico-critical scholars out there who deny that Moses even existed and that this story was simply a myth created by the suffering exiles in Babylon to give encouragement to their people in adversity

There certainly are critics.

But even they would admit that the fact of the Bible story is that "Moses" leads the children out of Israel. They would agree that the fact of the bible story is that Jesus actually, bodily resurrected.

What they would deny is that those things actually happened in space/time.

Now does your church teach that the "resurrection" is a bible story that didn't actually happen? Or does it teach that it is a bible story (fact) and that it actually happened (faith.)

96 posted on 11/18/2002 8:02:42 PM PST by xzins
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