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To: Tantumergo
Well, some things are not subjective and are absolute fact in space/time. For example, I absolutely was born on a particular day. It is also a fact that if my airplane runs out of gas while I'm in the air that it will come down to the ground shortly thereafter.

Doctrinal fact is a different animal, isn't it? We almost need a continuum to help us ascertain where WE stand on certain things being in the realm of fact rather than assumption. Let 10 be a certain fact. Let 0 be a wild, totally unsupportable assumption.

Where would you place "the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?" I think the testimony of scripture and the church is certain on this one. It gets a 10.

Where would you place "the full inspiration of scripture by God?" I would give it a 10.

Where would you place "the visit of Jesus to the New World ancestors of mormonism?" I would give it a big fat ZERO (0).

I'm sure you see the process.

Out of curiosity where would you place "the trinity?"

70 posted on 11/18/2002 5:31:28 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
"Where would you place "the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?" I think the testimony of scripture and the church is certain on this one. It gets a 10.

Where would you place "the full inspiration of scripture by God?" I would give it a 10."

I would agree with you wholeheartedly on these points, however, many Christians would dispute them with a conviction that would be sincere in their own eyes. Not to mention the fact that the majority of my and probably your countrymen would be certain on neither.

You can give them a 10 because it fits your belief (as it does mine), but this is not a certainty apparent to everyone.

I would suggest that what you define as "certainty" has less to do with "proof" and more to do with "faith".

"Out of curiosity where would you place "the trinity?""

I would give Them a 10. How about you?
82 posted on 11/18/2002 6:14:26 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: xzins
Let 10 be a certain fact. Let 0 be a wild, totally unsupportable assumption.

Where would you place "the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?" I think the testimony of scripture and the church is certain on this one. It gets a 10.

Out of curiosity where would you place "the trinity?"

Where would you put it, xzins?

I too would give "the bodily resurrection of Christ" a 10, but in so doing, would have to give the Trinity a 0.

The two doctrines are incompatible in my mind. Christ did not de-resurrect in order to join the amorphous Trinity. Jesus is still a resurrected being.

86 posted on 11/18/2002 6:39:04 PM PST by wai-ming
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