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To: SoothingDave
(OR) To repeat; there is no Biblical or CC reference to any person becoming "Full of Grace" at Baptism.

That you understand, anyway. You were doing much better just claiming my words have no meaning, than you are trying to understand them.

It is simple, unless you are so full of your delusions of intellectual superiority that you can't see beyond your snotty nose. THERE IS NO BIBLICAL OR CATHOLIC CATECHISM REFERENCE TO ANYONE BUT JESUS (2 TIMES) AND MARY (8 TIMES) BEING "FULL OF GRACE".

Regardless, the laying on of hands is obviously a Confirmation or Ordination, restoring his baptismal grace.

What? More Gospel according to Dave? Why don't you just read the Bible rather than winging it?

390 posted on 11/22/2002 1:14:23 PM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
To repeat; there is no Biblical or CC reference to any person becoming "Full of Grace" at Baptism.

The Catechism says:

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. 66 In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

If you have "nothing remains that would impede" your entry into the Kingdom of God, then you are ready to meet God face-to-face. In other words, you are full of grace.

Also:

1266 The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptized sanctifying grace, the grace of justification:

Baptism gives sanctifying grace, which is what I said. Adam and Eve had this grace, but lost it. Their loss had been passed down through the ages. Stephen, and any Christian has this grace restored fully at Baptism.

Mary had this grace given to her in a special way. But Mary being ready to enter the Kingdom and the newly baptised being likewise ready are in the same state.

SD

393 posted on 11/22/2002 1:35:30 PM PST by SoothingDave
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