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To: pseudo-justin
urge you not to insist that ALL means ALL otherwise Christ has sinned too. Let us agree instead that the supposition of "all" here is exceptive -- we often use the term “all” when we mutually understand that there are exceptions and what they are. Nobody gets confused, that is the way language works.

ALL means ALL unless, that is, you don't believe Jesus was/is God. If you don't believe in the Trinity I won't argue with you.
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Now, I have a question for you. Notice, please, that in the Old Testament, whenever an angel encounters a human, the human salutes the angel saying "Hail", the human always defers respectfully the the angelic.

Old Testament citations please. Of course, in the New Testament Jesus says "hail" to the women. Do you suppose he was deferring respectfully to the women? Matthew 28:9. Of course not. He was merely greeting them.

332 posted on 11/21/2002 1:57:04 PM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE; RnMomof7; SoothingDave; pegleg; MarMema; Catholicguy; cebadams; Desdemona
Old Reggie, You do not seem to understand the problem you have by citing this text from Romans:

1. all have sinned

2. Jesus did not sin

I believe that both 1 and 2 are true. I take it that you also believe that both 1 and 2 are true. Now, unless we can come up with an interpretation of 1 such that 1 does not imply

3. Jesus sinned

then both you and I are committed to believing a contradiction. My solution is to say that 1 is true provided that the term "all" be taken with at least one exception. For suppose we mean "all without exception". If all without exception have sinned, then Jesus Christ has sinned. But we agree that Jesus Christ has not sinned. Therefore, it is not the case that all without exception have sinned. Rather, all, with at least one exception, have sinned. Get it?

Let us do it a different way. What do you say to an atheist who charges that the Bible contains the following contradiction about Jesus Christ:

a.Rom 3:23 all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Therefore, all humans have sinned.

b.Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.Therefore, some human has not sinned.

Therefore, all humans have sinned and some human has not sinned.

Therefore, this Bible of yours is a load of crap.

337 posted on 11/21/2002 2:23:12 PM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: OLD REGGIE
Seeing that the defination of sin is breaking a law of God making your own rules..Seeing God makes the rules He can not break His own rules..

Hail

5463 chairo {khah'-ee-ro} a primary verb; TDNT - 9:359,1298; v

AV - rejoice 42, be glad 14, joy 5, hail 5, greeting 3, God speed 2, all hail 1, joyfully 1, farewell 1; 74

1) to rejoice, be glad
2) to rejoice exceedingly
3) to be well, thrive
4) in salutations, hail!
5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute

I do not see anything there about having to be sinless to have Hail said to you..Hey, Hail Reggie

349 posted on 11/21/2002 2:57:49 PM PST by RnMomof7
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