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To: The Grammarian; RnMomof7; the_doc
ROFL! So the most damning and heretical error in the piece was Ralston's quotation of the Puritan (ergo, Calvinist) John Milton's Paradise Lost?

No, my little schoolboy; the most damning and heretical error in the piece was Ralston's quotation of the Arminian John Milton's Paradise Lost.

Milton's Fall from Presbyterian Calvinism is well-known enough.

Now go do your homework.

12 posted on 11/14/2002 5:31:04 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
No, my little schoolboy; the most damning and heretical error in the piece was Ralston's quotation of the Arminian John Milton's Paradise Lost.

I stand corrected. I have my own copy, however, and Ralston abridged it. The full text is less open to your attacks. Book III, lines 103-128:

Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.

Not free, what proof could they have giv'n sincere

Of true allegiance, constant Faith or Love,

Where only what they needs must do, appear'd,

Not what they would? what praise could they receive?

What pleasure I from such obedience paid,

When Will and Reason (Reason also is choice)

Useless and vain, of freedom both despoil'd,

Made passive both, had serv'd necessity,

Not mee. They therefore as to right belong'd,

So were created, nor can justly accuse

Their maker, or their making, or their Fate;

As if Predestination over-rul'd

Their will, dispos'd by absolute Decree

Or high foreknowledge; they themselves decreed

Their own revolt, not I: if I foreknew

Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault,

Which had no less prov'd certain unforeknown.

So without least impulse [impelling] or shadow of Fate,

Or aught by me immutably foreseen,

They trespass, Authors to themselves in all

Both what they judge and what they choose; for so

I form'd them free, and free they must remain,

Til they enthrall themselves: I else must change

Their nature, and revoke the high Decree

Unchangeable, Eternal, which ordain'd

Their freedom, they themselves ordain'd their fall.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 5:53:59 PM PST by The Grammarian
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