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To: SuziQ
You, like others, have focused on this minor business of the rosary. I keep responding to each of you, but none of you seem to get the message. The added mysteries are nothing but further symptoms of the modernist disease. It is not even that significant, compared to other changes. But it is still another push to scrap traditional Catholicism. So far in the revolution the Mass has been protestantized, our churches have had their tabernacles shunted aside, their communion rails ripped out, in some places even the kneelers have been removed. There is not a single sacrament that has not undergone major overhaul. Our sacred music has been scrapped. Our religious orders have collapsed, as have our missions around the world. Our seminaries have become playgrounds for sexually active gays. Our Catholic theologies have been scrapped, our Catholic devotions have been scrapped, our Catholic literature has been scrapped, our Catholic doctrines have been suppressed. Communion is taken in the hands and kneeling for communion has been eliminated. Cardinals and bishops are in open apostasy across the globe. Meanwhile the Pope venerates the Koran and pours libations to animist spirits in a Togo forest and elevates heretics to the cardinalate. He thus performs acts that can only be interpreted as idolatrous and irresponsible. THAT is what's going on. My reference to the rosary is merely to just another novelty. Pretty routine really, though it is prelude to still more drastic changes. In a few years nothing of the original rosary will be left. What is really happening is that the conciliar Church is imposing a new religion. To achieve their ends, the faithful are being acclimated to these gradual changes until finally nothing of the ancient faith--which had been virtually unchanged for two thousand years--remains or can even be remembered.
43 posted on 11/10/2002 5:03:50 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Stop the pretension that "we don't get your message." We get you message alright. We absolutely reject your analysis and your conclusions as we should.

You take some valid complaints (moving or hiding of tabernacles, removal of communion rails, communion in the hand, substitution of Kumbaya musical pablum or worse for chant and polyphony, pink palace seminaries subsidized and encouraged by lavender bishops and enablers, and add to those a group of hysterical and unfactual claims such as "our theologies have been scrapped", "there is not a single sacrament that has not been overhauled," "our Catholic literature has been scrapped" (really? There are numerous Catholic publishing houses in America such as TAN right here in Rockford which seem to have little problem printing or selling reprints of hard-core Catholic classics), and add to those your complete fantasies as to the notion that soon enough nothing will remain of the original rosary, the Mass has been Protestantized (do we know of any actual Protestant faith that believes that it makes the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross immanent upon the altar as does the rubric of both the Tridentine and the Novus Ordo?).

The piece de resistance is the total lapel-grabbing style (Don't you realize, man, unless you agree with UR that JPII is a heretic and a stooge and a marionette of the international Protestant conspiracy, the international Islamic conspiracy and the international pagan animist conspiracy and maybe even a closet Hebrew (?) since he sends not armies to convert them at the point of a sword, all rolled into one, you are going straight to hell?) Your style seems much closer to that of the interminably self-righteous preachiness of many but thankfully not all of our separated brethren of the deformation variety and of the subtype who take it as their mission to save Catholics from the Scarlet Beast or whatever.

In addition to taking your meds more regularly, I offer the unsolicited advice that you ought to realize that one CAN TOO be both Catholic and socially normal, all at once. Really!

The parish (actually the oratory) to which I and my family belong has only Tridentine Masses (I often attend Novus Ordo elsewhere to remain in touch with the more dominant strain of the Church) and sacraments only according to the Tridentine rite, and communion received only on the tongue, only on the knees and (save for extreme age or handicap) only at the altar rail, only orthodox sermons, with all of our kneelers quite intact, thank you very much, with chant and polyphony and nary a rendition of Kumbaya songs, any of them, TAN has book tables in the basement for the parishioners to purchase all manner of orthodox books as well as Tridentine missals, mantillas which are expected attire for the girls and ladies, rosaries, etc. Neither our pastor nor our saintly Bishop Thomas Doran are describable as apostates. Neither the Koran nor the Togo forest appear in our Oratory. Our parishioners are mostly calm, cool and collected p[eople who feel no desperate desire for personal attention. They live Catholic lives and raise Catholic families without all the hysteria exhibited in other quarters. If you cannot find such a facility near you, you are welcome here if you can restrain yourself from the pope-bashing which is NOT welcome here. If Rockford is not your cup of tea, there are many other "faith communities" like it in many parts of the country and the number increases regularly.

You might consider a different tack: kwitcherbellyachin' and take advantage of the opportunities which have grown under the pope you love to deride. Put your life where your mouth or keyboard is. Personally, I don't care if JPII does an Irish Jig in Outer Mongolia as the centerpiece of a hootenanny or folk music concert with a balloon festival and dancing bears and jugglers nearby. I trust his judgment. You should too.

As you ought to realize, it is very, very lonely out there without a pope and trying, Protestant-style to run a do-it-yourself magisterium.

75 posted on 11/11/2002 7:58:47 AM PST by BlackElk
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