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To: BlackElk
Lutherans do not believe, whatever their service may look like, that they are making the sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the cross immanent upon their table (which is therefore not an altar).

Msgr. Klaus Gamber in his book "The Reform of the Roman Liturgy" says that the changes made to the Mass to make it into the Novus Ordo were more drastic than those made by Luther or Cranmer.

The Anglicans or whatever are not Catholics whatever they may pretend. They have no priests because they have no apostolic succession.

This was defined by Pope Leo XIII. But so many other teachings of Pope Leo were overturned by Vatican II, why not this one also? If Anglican orders are invalid, then why did Pope John Paul II invite the Archbishop of Canterbury to join him in opening the Holy Door to inaugurate the Jubilee Year? According to Catholic teaching, he's just another English layman, only more deluded than the rest.

100 posted on 11/11/2002 10:57:23 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Msgr. Klaus Gamber in his book "The Reform of the Roman Liturgy" says that the changes made to the Mass to make it into the Novus Ordo were more drastic than those made by Luther or Cranmer.

<> The changes made by Cranmer were INTENDED to decieve. Are you saying Pope Paul VI intended to deceive Catholics and that he didn't believe in Sacrifice or the Real Presence? Please put your cards on the table - as a self-described militant ought <>

The Anglicans or whatever are not Catholics whatever they may pretend. They have no priests because they have no apostolic succession.

This was defined by Pope Leo XIII. But so many other teachings of Pope Leo were overturned by Vatican II, why not this one also?

<> Name a single one "over-turned" by Vatican Two. Document. <>

If Anglican orders are invalid, then why did Pope John Paul II invite the Archbishop of Canterbury to join him in opening the Holy Door to inaugurate the Jubilee Year?

<> You tell us. Don't pussyfoot around with sly innuendo. Remember, you are a militant<>

According to Catholic teaching, he's just another English layman, only more deluded than the rest. 100 posted on 11/11/2002 1:57 PM EST by Maximilian

102 posted on 11/11/2002 11:07:24 AM PST by Catholicguy
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