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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; drstevej

If one is not of the elect, according to Calvinism this cannot happen. ~ BigMack

Let's just suppose for a moment that you hate cheesecake and let's just suppose for a moment that I absolutely love cheesecake. Let's suppose that you absolutely love a big thick mesquite grilled rib eye and let's suppose that I love a good rib eye, but not as much as I love cheesecake. Let's also suppose that by lot (lanchano in the Greek) the cheesecake falls to me and the steak falls to you. You really have no cause to complain about not getting the cheesecake for what right do you have to complain about not getting something which you hate anyway?

52 posted on 11/07/2002 10:20:35 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody; drstevej; american colleen; SoothingDave
Let's just suppose for a moment that you hate cheesecake and let's just suppose for a moment that I absolutely love cheesecake. Let's suppose that you absolutely love a big thick mesquite grilled rib eye and let's suppose that I love a good rib eye, but not as much as I love cheesecake. Let's also suppose that by lot (lanchano in the Greek) the cheesecake falls to me and the steak falls to you. You really have no cause to complain about not getting the cheesecake for what right do you have to complain about not getting something which you hate anyway?

Calvinism goes into a realm of human philosophy. It is NOT a Bible doctrine, but a system of human philosophy appealing somewhat to the proud mind. Consider first that what we are discussing is called "Calvinism." "It was Calvin who wrought out this system of theological thought with such logical clearness and emphasis that it has ever since borne his name".

How strange that, after 1,400 years of Christianity, practically no one had understood the Bible to teach Calvin's doctrine of predestination until he formed the philosophy! What a strangely hidden doctrine, that New Testament Christians could go for nearly for 1400 years until the days of the reformers, when Calvin developed the doctrine fully.

It is obvious that great groups of Christians have always found salvation by grace in the Bible. The Bible is very clear on that. It is also clear on every other great doctrine.

BigMack

54 posted on 11/07/2002 10:29:12 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: CCWoody; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Let's just suppose for a moment that you hate cheesecake and let's just suppose for a moment that I absolutely love cheesecake. Let's suppose that you absolutely love a big thick mesquite grilled rib eye and let's suppose that I love a good rib eye, but not as much as I love cheesecake. Let's also suppose that by lot (lanchano in the Greek) the cheesecake falls to me and the steak falls to you. You really have no cause to complain about not getting the cheesecake for what right do you have to complain about not getting something which you hate anyway?

Which is a big, convoluted way of saying God likes them best. Calvin's god knows you need a cheescake to enter heaven, but he won't give you one. And you are supposed to be happy about this, cause this god made you not want cheesecake in the first place.

SD

55 posted on 11/07/2002 10:29:20 AM PST by SoothingDave
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