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I do not know if Dave is an elect child of God..he has not expressed a belief in the atonement. YET

You are quite delusional. I believe MORE FULLY in the Atonement and in the Incarnation than you ever will.

You really should remember that the measure you use, will be used against you. That should make you tremble.

And, for the record, it has been said more than once that one who "searches after God" can only be one of the elect. What am I doing here if not looking after the things of God?

Dave I suspect that you are alot closer in belief to me than most RC's cause you read the word..But our discussion on purgatory let me know you do not YET have a saving belief in the atonement

Did you know that was a word made specifically to describe the work of Christ?

AT ONE MENT

Do you think God would send someone that was IN his Son to hell? ...Do you think He would send some one IN His son to purgatory?

In effect he would be sending His son there with you..YOU are ONE with Him

So I do think you have an intellectual belief..it just has not overtaken you YET..