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To: SoothingDave; the_doc; drstevej; sheltonmac; CCWoody; RnMomof7; Jean Chauvin; ...
No problem. I have absolutely no hesitation with laying out exactly what it is that I do claim the Bible teaches.

Let me state it one more time for the record (you can quote me on this): There is no such thing as a free will.

A.W. Pink:

Concerning the nature and the power of fallen man's will, the greatest confusion prevails today, and the most erroneous views are held, even by many of God's children. The popular idea now prevailing, and which is taught from the great majority of pulpits, is that man has a "free will," and that salvation comes to the sinner through his will co-operating with the Holy Spirit. To deny the "free will" of man, i.e., his power to choose that which is good, his native ability to accept Christ, is to bring one into disfavor at once, even before most of those who profess to be orthodox. And yet Scripture emphatically says, "It is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy" (Rom. 9:16). Which shall we believe: God, or the preachers?

That Roman Catholics and Arminians walk hand in hand may be seen from others of the decrees issued by the Council of Trent: "If any one shall affirm that a regenerate and justified man is bound to believe that he is certainly in the number of the elect (which 1 Thess. 1:4, 5 plainly teaches.--A.W.P.) let such an one be accursed"! "If any one shall affirm with positive and absolute certainty, that he shall surely have the gift of perseverance to the end (which John 10:28-30 assuredly guarantees, A. W. P.); let him be accursed"!


TRUE LIBERTY IS NOT THE POWER TO LIVE AS WE PLEASE, BUT TO LIVE AS WE OUGHT! HENCE, THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS EVER WALKED THIS EARTH SINCE ADAM'S FALL THAT HAS ENJOYED PERFECT FREEDOM WAS THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, THE HOLY SERVANT OF GOD, WHOSE MEAT IT EVER IS TO DO, NOT HIS WILL, BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

Not my will, but Yours be done.
Amen.



And now, I must inform you that if you respond to this, one of my friends will have to carry the conversation as my project has arrived and I will most likely be unable to post for an undetermined time to come.

Corin, grace and peace to you and your family.

I will leave you all with this parting shot of eschatology:

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious ~LIBERTY~ of the children of God.

I do wonder just how one can say that the Millennium described by the Premillennialists in their various stripes will be the manifestation of the sons of God and the glorious ~LIBERTY~ of wills that are ~BOUND~ forever to perform the ~WILL~ of the Father ***when*** we all agree that this kingdom will be full of pretenders who only outwardly show a will bound to the Father when inwardly their meat is to walk after the god of this age.
114 posted on 11/08/2002 8:36:00 AM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador; SoothingDave
I don't know about you Dave, but this does it for me, where do I get my calvin badge and decoder ring? :)

BigMack

115 posted on 11/08/2002 8:43:49 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: theAmbassador
Dt. 31:19
I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live...

Heb 10:26-27
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.

Prv. 1:24
Because I called and you refused, I extended my hand and no one took notice;

1Cor 9:17-18
"If I do this willingly, I have a reward. But if unwillingly, it is a stewardship entrusted to me. What then is my reward?"

1Pet 5:2.
"Tend the flock of GOD which is among you, governing not under constraint, but willingly, according to GOD."

Deut 10:17
"For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who is not partial and takes no bribe."

2Chron 19:7
"Now then, let the fear of the Lord be upon you; take heed what you do, for there is no perversion of justice with the Lord our God, or partiality, or taking bribes."

Job 34:17-19
" Will you condemn him who is righteous and mighty, who says to a king, ‘Worthless one,’ and to nobles, ‘Wicked man’; who shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of his hands?"

And my two favorite verses:
1Tim 2:4
"This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

1Pet 1:17
"And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile."

122 posted on 11/08/2002 9:01:08 AM PST by american colleen
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