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To: theAmbassador
***#1, please read what I wrote --- I said that God makes the first move. Did you consider this at all?***

Yep, I read it. I JUDGED it a lie and moved on as it perverts the Truth of the scriptures.

I see you are not worth the effort either. Surely debate is much more winnable when you simply assume the other party is lying.

***#2, I don't believe anyone is dead until the end. Original sin is a damag, not a death. So there are no "corpses" around to grab paddles.***

The Lie of Eden is coming right out of your mouth. Man is merely sick on the bed and fully able to grab the paddles which the good Physician has provided. He is fully able to save himself using the tools that the Physician has graciously provided.

Hey, if you have a problem with the Truth, take it up with God.

And BTW, if we need "the tools that the Physician has graciously provided," then we are in no way saving ourselves.

I'm sorry you disavow free will, but I understand it makes you feel better to have absolutely no responsibility.

***God offers and God respects our freedom.***

You sound just like this Arminian: "God votes for me and Satan votes against me and I get to cast the deciding vote."

Actually, it is a different concept, but when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, doesn't it?

The evidence of our free will is overwhelming, I will never understand how the Calvinist can deny it.

SD

109 posted on 11/08/2002 5:52:36 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; the_doc; Jean Chauvin; RnMomof7
***And BTW, if we need "the tools that the Physician has graciously provided," then we are in no way saving ourselves.***

Sure you are! Who gets to boast, the paddles or the one who shocks the heart back to life?

***I'm sorry you disavow free will, but I understand it makes you feel better to have absolutely no responsibility.***

Free will is a myth! Your will is bound. Nevertheless, you Arminians are free to preach the freeness of MAN's will. I will preach the freeness of GOD's grace.
112 posted on 11/08/2002 7:23:40 AM PST by theAmbassador
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