[xzins]

I call Jesus stepping foot on Mt Olives as clearly spoken in Zech 14:4 and Acts 1 to be his return to the earth.

I call his summons of his people into the clouds the "rapture."

The question is this: are those 2 separated by up to 7 years....then final week of Daniel. Pretribs say yes; midtribs say 3.5, posttribs say "at roughly the same time." (If pre or mid-tribs are correct, then the coming in the air of vs 1Th4:17 is STILL not the coming to the EARTH.)

Amills say there is no great tribulation to go through. (Symbolic, maybe???)

[Jean Chauvin]

"Amills say there is no great tribulation to go through. (Symbolic, maybe???) "

Not true at all!

But, then again, I've come to expect no less than you than lies!

Technically, amil's are post-trib.

Jean

[nate4one]

Amills and preterists alike believe that it happened already to the Jews. Not that there was no such real thing. It is simply a past event.
Nate

[RnMomof7]

The way I count it xzins..Christ comes for the saints first (if you are pre trib)..but he does not stay long.(ya gotta count it as a coming because He has to leave His throne and come here to get the saints ).

Then He comes to rule and reign...

Then He comes to judge...

When do the unsaved dead come out of the grave?

So there is a second, and third and fourth coming...when do the unsaved come out of the graves?

[RnMomof7]

    Zec 14:4   And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.   

  Zec 14:5   And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [and] all the saints with thee.

     Zec 14:6   And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the light shall not be clear, [nor] dark:   

  Zec 14:7   But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, [that] at evening time it shall be light.

     Zec 14:8   And it shall be in that day, [that] living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

     Zec 14:9   And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

     Zec 14:10   All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.   

  Zec 14:11   And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Act 1:11   Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Indeed I await the Day when Jesus will come and stand on the mount to judge the world

    Mat 24:29   Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

     Mat 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 14:62   And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

     Mat 24:31   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Rev 1:7   Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

[computerjunkie]

The question is this: are those 2 separated by up to 7 years...

Just sneaking in here to say my answer to this question is "yes". Guess that means everybody knows what I am, huh? But those who know me already could probably have told you what my answer would be!! :)

Back to lurking...