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Principles of Literal Bible Interpretation
Bible Truth ^ | Revised, Aug 2001 | Cooper P. Abrams, III

Posted on 10/29/2002 5:18:29 AM PST by xzins



TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: actual; allegorical; bible; figurative; interpretation; literal; real; symbolic
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
The problem with that Mack is the pretrib rapture adds an extra "2nd" coming"
381 posted on 11/01/2002 12:34:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ksen; RnMomof7; the_doc
Verses 42-43 describe the end of the Son’s kingdom with the tares thrown into a furnace of fire and the sheep entering the Father’s kingdom.

So much for this verse: But, really, I do have just one simple question: Do you deny that today we are in the kingdom of God?

From the Amillenialist perspective, what are these two different kingdoms?

Same kingdom; different age.
382 posted on 11/01/2002 12:36:13 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: RnMomof7
Wow that is the first time I heard that K...

It is rather shocking to be confronted with what Premillennialism is all about, isn't it?
383 posted on 11/01/2002 12:37:46 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador
Yep
384 posted on 11/01/2002 12:38:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
The problem with that Mack is the pretrib rapture adds an extra "2nd" coming"

In other words, you ain't gonna read it.

It don't add a second coming if Christ never puts His foot down on the earth, can't you see that?

Take the time to read the link, don't be so damn hardheaded. :)

BigMack

385 posted on 11/01/2002 12:41:51 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: jude24; RnMomof7
I'm familiar with your assertion regarding the "that he should deceive the nations no more." But the issue I see is that according to 2 Cor. 4:4, that is precisely what Satan is doing now. Thats probably my biggest objection of them all.

If you will re-read what I said in my series of e-mails, you will discover that I affirmed the idea found in 2 Corinthians 4:4.

So, wherein consists your confusion?

386 posted on 11/01/2002 12:43:15 PM PST by the_doc
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To: ksen; Jean Chauvin; RnMomof7; the_doc
Mom, has any animal sacrifice EVER cleansed a single sin? Of course not. So if the OT animal sacrifices never cleansed a sin, what makes us think that future, Millenial animal sacrifices would cleanse sin?

If all you Premillennialists think that animal sacrifice is such a higher form of spiritual worship, then why can't I find any of you taking the bull to the local temple? Surely you are not afraid of PETA. You tell me when and where and I'll keep the riff-raff away.
387 posted on 11/01/2002 12:43:49 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador; xzins; Corin Stormhands
If you people will be patient with me, I will eventually answer some of these questions. But, really, some of you simply need to pick up your Bibles and read them and quit being such brats. This isn't rocket science.

I agree!

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor any old man tht hath not filled his days; for the child shall die being an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed (Isa.65:20)

Now, what could be more clear then that, that people are dying and sinning either in the eternal state or the Millennial Kingdom.

This isn't rocket science. Just clear scripture.

388 posted on 11/01/2002 12:50:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: theAmbassador; ksen; RnMomof7
ksen: Mom, has any animal sacrifice EVER cleansed a single sin? Of course not. So if the OT animal sacrifices never cleansed a sin, what makes us think that future, Millenial animal sacrifices would cleanse sin?

theAmbassador: If all you Premillennialists think that animal sacrifice is such a higher form of spiritual worship, then why can't I find any of you taking the bull to the local temple? Surely you are not afraid of PETA. You tell me when and where and I'll keep the riff-raff away.

Mom if this guy is your new guide to what the Bible says you might want to rethink who you hang with, look at what ksen wrote, and his reply, do you see what I'm talking about? ksen NEVER said anything of the sort.

BigMack

389 posted on 11/01/2002 12:52:49 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: ksen
I never said that saints die in the Millenial Kingdom.

They still have their bodies of death.
390 posted on 11/01/2002 12:53:34 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: ksen
I believed that the blood covered the sin..so technically you are correct that they did not "remove sin" But they did cover it

Because Christ was the once for all atonment the sins are forgiven ...but I do not believe the animal sacrifices were without spiritual effect..only symbolic..

None of that adresses why new sacrifice for sin is needed in the temple

391 posted on 11/01/2002 12:57:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
You should know that the only reason I am slogging through all these posts is because you said that your understanding of scriptural truth has more to do with what the Premills are saying than what we Amills are saying. I must say that I do understand the effect that seeing the darkness of wrong doctrine has, but you did make me pout that we Amills didn't convince you with our wonderfully logical arguments.

Perhaps there is another who sees what kind of doctrine Premillennialism really is.
392 posted on 11/01/2002 12:58:44 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
ksen NEVER said anything of the sort.

Thanks for watching my back bud. ;^)

393 posted on 11/01/2002 1:03:45 PM PST by ksen
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To: theAmbassador
Perhaps there is another who sees what kind of doctrine Premillennialism really is.

The correct one.

;^)

394 posted on 11/01/2002 1:05:35 PM PST by ksen
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; ksen; RnMomof7
The point is that you dispensationalists tell me how wonderful the worship will be during this millennium. I'm just wondering if animal sacrifices are such a wonderful spiritual memorial why you aren't doing them today.
395 posted on 11/01/2002 1:06:03 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador
You are correct..thanks
396 posted on 11/01/2002 1:06:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: theAmbassador
It's usually not a lack of "wonderfully logical arguments" so much as it is the manner in which they're presented that is the roadblock in the path of amillennialists. The change in my views resulted not from concise, logical, scriptural arguments but a desire on my part to DIS-prove the amill position and it's result of me with three bibles and two commentaries spread out in front of me in my living room.

As with most issues debated in these forums, the attitude of the person usually drowns out anything true they might put forth. Neither side usually has a monopoly on this.

397 posted on 11/01/2002 1:12:13 PM PST by Frumanchu
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To: RnMomof7
And I'm still pouting about it too. It hurt my feelings that xzins is a better ambassador for amillennialism that I am.
398 posted on 11/01/2002 1:12:35 PM PST by theAmbassador
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To: theAmbassador
Worshipping God is wonderful in whatever dispensation we happen to be in.
399 posted on 11/01/2002 1:14:46 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; Frumanchu; RnMomof7; the_doc; Jean Chauvin
Great! If worshipping God through animal sacrifices is such a wonderfully spiritual thing, then how come you aren't doing it today?
400 posted on 11/01/2002 1:19:00 PM PST by theAmbassador
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