[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Seriously, rather then just telling RN she is loony could you explain why you have this disagreement with her about MT. I have wondered the same about how a catholic could explain why MT's words were not wrong. This is an issue that I have not seen explained by any catholic. Do you think MT did not say these things? Has the catholic teaching on this changed?

Becky

[ventana]

Romans v.i. 3, 4,

If any man receive not Baptism, he hath not salvation; except only Martyrs, who even without the water receive the kingdom. For when the Saviour, in redeeming the world by His Cross, was pierced in the side, He shed forth blood and water; that men, living in times of peace, might be baptized in water, and, in times of persecution, in their own blood. For martyrdom also the Saviour is wont to call a baptism, saying, Can ye drink rite cup which I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And the Martyrs confess, by being made a spectacle unto the world, and to Angels, and to men; and thou wilt soon confess:--but it is not yet the time for thee to hear of this.

Seems like exceptions to the rule are not a new idea, nor Mother Theresa's own idea. V's wife

[RnMomof7]

Seriously, rather then just telling RN she is loony could you explain why you have this disagreement with her about MT.

That is hard Becky..because they claim the church is infallible...and according to Trent you and I are goners...and they are OK with that.

But when the same Council Pronouncements are applied to a cultural Catholic Icon...it is a bit of a problem

I personally do not much care one way or another..If Trent was right they will be praying for intercession to someone in hell...If Trent was wrong..so much for the infallible church..quite a problem huh?

Personally I only pray to the one mediator between God and man Jesus Christ..