[drstevej]

<>drstevej says it applies to them and all their works.<>

Not true. Here's my view.

[1] A believer's work produced by grace is not a filthy rag.

[2] A believer's self effort does get burned in the judgment.

[3] A believer's efforts done to impress men likewise perish.

[4] All efforts of unbelievers are filthy rags.

[5] I believe that a believe is simul justus et pecccator. But this does not preclude a believer from producing good works through grace.

[6] I believe that a believe is simul justus et pecccator. This does mean that believers are no perfect, they sin. Such sin dirupts fellowship but doesn't forfeit eternal life

That's my view. It may be rn's too, but whether it is or not is unrelated to me.

[RnMomof7]

It is also my view ...but then I am a heretic and you are my friend:>)

[Tantumergo]

[1] A believer's work produced by grace is not a filthy rag.

I'm glad we agree on this one.

[2] A believer's self effort does get burned in the judgment.

If by "self-effort", you mean effort that is not motivated by grace, then we can agree on this one.

[3] A believer's efforts done to impress men likewise perish.

Definitely agree on this one.

[4] All efforts of unbelievers are filthy rags.

What about the unbeliever's efforts to comprehend the truth? "Lord I believe, help my unbelief."??

Or more specifically, at what point do you see grace as being operative in the unbeliever - if at all?

[Catholicguy]

<> I apologise if I mischaracterised your views. I recalled you agreeing with Mom's intpretation of Isaias 64:6. I am happy both to learn you don't and to have an opportunity to correct my error.

I think much of the confusion results form the controversies of the 16th century. I will provide a link that I think fairly characterises the controversies

Instead of adressing each of those six specifically, I think a general overview is important first<>

[Catholicguy]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06710a.htm

Controversies on Grace link