We'll Take "The Quiet Mass"

Catholic Exchange ^ | October 16, 2002 | Jeffrrey Tucker

[.45MAN]

I have a feeling that in the next couple of weeks we will be going to St. Francis de Sales and then to Mother Angelica's new shrine in Alabama, I am lucky enough to be within a few miles of St. Francis and not all that far from Mother Angelica's. Ikeep thinking about what it was like growing up with the Latin Mass and I do miss it. We have a wonderful small church here and it is very reverent and you can hear a pin drop at any time before and during the Mass but it is not the Latin Mass...

[.45MAN]

authentic worship experiences that truly express what is wondrously happening in our midst, in Latin or in the vernacular, are few and far between.

This is sad, We spent week after week, when we first moved to the Atlanta area, looking for a Catholic church that we could really feel at home in. In some we left before the service was over, I say service because I don't believe that it was a Mass. When you are brought up with the Latin Mass it's part of being home again...

[maryz]

"Post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

[xsmommy]

you should try it, bec. I am much happier at Tridentine. xsbrownie calls it the "hat church", since we have to wear chapel veils or hats.

[Catholicguy]

It does not follow that if the Masses are celebrated in the vernacular that Jesus is any less there or that the Masses are not a legitimate expression of worship.

<> True. Pope Siricius, prior to 400 a.d. changed the Greek Mass into the vernacular Latin.

Mr. Tucker is a smart man but the questions of his 3 y.o. don't ring true to me. In any event, the Pauline Rite I attend is celebrated reverently. Last week, the Priest sermonised about Sanctifying Grace in connection with the Wedding Garment. Frankly, that is the first time I have heard that explained in about forever. That includes all the time I went to the Indult.

I think Mr. Tucker is wise to go to both Liturgies. I do think the Indult will be lifted in the next Papacy. I worry the endless comparisons of the Liturgies have so polarised folks that when the Indult is lifted, those that think they have been "going to a real Mass," might well join the schism.<>

[Catholicguy]

They totally ignored 100 years of development of things like the "dialogue Mass" and created their own concoction out of whole cloth

<> And Pope Paul VI said it was a revision of the old rite. I guess you must be correct:)<>

[al_c]

I keep wanting to go down to Austin for a Latin mass.

There's a Latin Mass in liberal Austin? Which parish?

[al_c]

Christ is present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, at every Catholic mass, whether Novus Ordo or Tridentine.

Good point. Just because the Tridentine is not widely available at this time, that doesn't mean we don't get a complete dose of our blessed Lord.

[Catholicguy]

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/mass1.htm

<>Every year or so, it does one good to read what Pope Paul VI said about the Mass. I know what he said isn't much heeded by the so-called trads, but his authority might be as great as The Latin Mass magazine or, Heaven forfend, Mr. Michael Davies his ownself<>

[Catholicguy]

http://pw2.netcom.com/~matt1618/novusordo.html

<> A defense of the Pauline Rite<>

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

The Democrat party supports abortion (as well as triumphalist secularism and various forms of deviancy). Voting Democrat, therefore, is a moral choice.

And that choice, for the Catholic majority that votes Democrat, demonstrates pretty clearly that the voters either do not know or do not care what their Church teaches. This being the case, I fail to see how their support for the NO Mass should carry any weight whatsoever.

If you were to tell me that Teddy Kennedy or Mario Cuomo support the primacy of the N.O., it would carry the same weight.

This is only a non sequitur if you can demonstrate that voting for the Abortion Party is not a moral choice, and that one can still be a good Catholic and vote Democrat. Carrots have nothing to do with it.

[Desdemona]

Last week, the Priest sermonised about Sanctifying Grace in connection with the Wedding Garment. Frankly, that is the first time I have heard that explained in about forever.

Same here. And I needed that last Sunday. If you look hard enough, you can find this in the NO. It's a matter of putting some effort into it. Some things I don't like about it, but if the homily is good, it makes overlooking the atrocious music a lot easier. And the great thing is that you really don't have to sing along. I quit joining in at offertory. You miss too much with your nose burried in a songbook.

Latin Mass was very much discouraged in my youth. In fact, I've been told I would hate it, but considering the sources, I think pop culture has had a great influence. I'd like to judge for myself, but the only Latin Mass close to me is at an hour I can't get there. If the early Mass somewhere close was Latin, I'd try it.

[american colleen]

From your link to "The Mass is the same" - and thank you, by the way!

8. This reform puts an end to uncertainties, to discussions, to arbitrary abuses. It calls us back to that uniformity of rites and feeling proper to the Catholic Church, the heir and continuation of that first Christian community, which was all "one single heart and a single soul" (Acts 4:32). The choral character of the Church's prayer is one of the strengths of her unity and her catholicity. The change about to be made must not break up that choral character or disturb it. It ought to confirm it and make it resound with a new spirit, the spirit of her youth.

I don't think it worked out the way Paul VI envisioned it working out. IMO, of course.

[MadIvan]

Latin Mass was very much discouraged in my youth. In fact, I've been told I would hate it, but considering the sources, I think pop culture has had a great influence. I'd like to judge for myself, but the only Latin Mass close to me is at an hour I can't get there. If the early Mass somewhere close was Latin, I'd try it.

I tried it at a cathedral in Bratislava, Slovakia. Worthwhile. Plus easier to understand with my Latin education than Slovak.

Regards, Ivan

[Desdemona]

You know something, Ivan, when I was overseas, I really wished we still had Latin Mass. That way I could have understood what was being said. I was in Germany, Italy, France, Switzerland, Austria... Because I attend Mass weekly, I knew exactly what was happening, but here I am in St. Peter's and I couldn't understand the readings and because it was the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi, they were different than the missal.

I do think we should learn it both ways. There has to be some way of compromise.

[Catholicguy]

<> He would agree with you, as would Pope John Paul II. IN an Encyclical,He apologised to me and thee for the abuses. He continuallly calls for the Bishops to fulfill their Duties.For some reason, they don't appear ready to do that yet<>