[ninenot]

As usual, CG, you swallow the fish without looking for the bones first. The Council documents WERE somewhat ambiguous--and you ought to read THe Rhine Flows Into the Tiber if you can't believe Max.

THe ambiguities were exploited by Mgr. Bugnini (and you can read HIS book for verification) to produce, NOT a liturgy which was an organic growth, but a liturgy which was a break with tradition, which was manufactured and fabricated, and which has been further perverted by, (surprise) perverts-in-charge at the Liturgy Wonk meetings.

Knowing history can be quite valuable--and reading more than Jungmann's foo foo dust can also be helpful.

[Catholicguy]

As usual, CG, you swallow the fish without looking for the bones first. The Council documents WERE somewhat ambiguous--and you ought to read THe Rhine Flows Into the Tiber if you can't believe Max.

<> I prefer the Popes of the Council and the texts of the Council. My prejudice in favor of the Divinely-Constituted Authorities is unwavering.<>

THe ambiguities were exploited by Mgr. Bugnini (and you can read HIS book for verification) to produce, NOT a liturgy which was an organic growth, but a liturgy which was a break with tradition, which was manufactured and fabricated, and which has been further perverted by, (surprise) perverts-in-charge at the Liturgy Wonk meetings.

<> I will stick with how Pope Paul VI characterised the Roman Missal. Whatever Bugnini desired is, relatively, immaterial. The Catholic Church ALWAYS triumphs over any malign machinations. The Catholic Church promulgated a Real Mass and the Mass is the Mass is the Mass; and, has been the same since Holy Thursday.<>

Knowing history can be quite valuable--and reading more than Jungmann's foo foo dust can also be helpful.

<> LOL I am starting to sense he is not your favorite author.I read Klaus Gamber, Dom Cabrol, Early Church Fathers, Dom Gueranger, and others also. Do they count?<>