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To: NYer
"...how psychological sciences can be used in discerning vocations -- another hotly debated issue at the Vatican in recent years..."

That's interesting. Thanks for the post. Considering that there is no coherent peer-reviewed consensus among psychiatrists, psychologists, physicians, or philophers of science regarding what would constitute a working scientific model of the human psyche, this should prove fascinating territory. Just peruse Out of its Mind: Psychiatry in Crisis by J. Allan Hobson and Jonathan Leonard. If Harvard, Yale, and Johns Hopkins medical schools, together with the APA, AMA, and the various international Freudian/Lacanian juntas can't agree where the id meets the elbow, or the conscious self ends and the amygdala begins, where does that leave seminary review boards?

The last thing needed is a bunch of goofy diocesan bureaucrats scrying over Myers-Briggs scores, Rorschach Inkblots, and serum serotonin blood levels. While it would nice if "Catholic experts" could make sense out of this, secular psychdom does not exactly offer a coherent working model for precision. Just imagine the kind of people Cardinal Mahony or, heaven forbid, Rembert Weakland might have hired to see if any seminarians needed Ritalin, Prozac, or sex-addiction counseling. Get the picture? Will psychologists from the NEA be picking our new priests? If the picture Michael Rose painted is accurate, it doesn't really require a PhD or M.D. to spot kooks, pervs, and people who swing the wrong way. Character screening, as in other public safety and security professions, does not necessarily require a psychobabble paradigm to weed out the pathological and unfit. Let's hope the Vatican places the right emphasis on these matters. We certainly could use a few heroes to clarify this well-known penumbra.

34 posted on 10/09/2002 11:58:09 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
If the picture Michael Rose painted is accurate, it doesn't really require a PhD or M.D. to spot kooks, pervs, and people who swing the wrong way.

Right on, HowlinglyMBA! You just need good and holy men with good judgment and a good knowledge of people to choose reasonably well who should be a priest and who should not. It was done that way for two millenia. The psychological babble-junk used now has only led to deep pain and suffering within and without the Church. Nowhere is this pain greater than where children are (and have been) involved.

35 posted on 10/10/2002 6:59:09 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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While it would nice if "Catholic experts" could make sense out of this, secular psychdom does not exactly offer a coherent working model for precision.

Bump.
36 posted on 10/10/2002 7:04:22 AM PDT by Desdemona
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