No-Kneeling Rule Sparks Widespread Outcry

National Catholic Register ^ | Sept. 29-Oct. 5, 2002 | JOHN BURGER

[Sursum Corda]

I'm all for options, as long the Novus Ordo remains the normative Mass.

14 posted on 10/8/02 6:21 PM Pacific by sinkspur

Do you know what 'normative' means? In this use, it means prevalent or most widely attended. If people choose to attend other approved forms of the Mass and you can still choose to attend a Novus Mass, does it really matter if it is normative?

If you answer in the affirmative, why do you feel so?

Sursum Corda

[sinkspur]

If people choose to attend other approved forms of the Mass and you can still choose to attend a Novus Mass, does it really matter if it is normative.

Yes. The Novus Ordo has been normative for over 30 years.

Does it matter to you if the Novus Ordo is normative?

[sinkspur]

Actually, in this use "normative" means the Mass that has been sanctioned by Rome as the Mass to celebrated on all but the most extraordinary conditions.

The Tridentine Liturgy is permitted, with the permission of the local bishop. The bishop should be generous in granting permission.

[nickcarraway]

My parish uses kneeling at the Communion rail and it's not Anglican use.

[nickcarraway]

ping

[Sursum Corda]

You did not answer my question about why it matters to you if the Novus Ordo is normative, as long as you can still attend that form of Mass.

FWIW, the Tridentine is not the only option for Catholics, there are a number of other rites or uses.

We differ on the common understanding of what 'normative' means, but it may be but hair splitting on both our parts.

Sursum Corda

[Land of the Irish]

The Tridentine Liturgy is permitted, with the permission of the local bishop. The bishop should be generous in granting permission.

And, if the bishop is not generous and does not grant permisson for the Tridentine Mass, is he disobeying the Pope?

[sinkspur]

And, if the bishop is not generous and does not grant permisson for the Tridentine Mass, is he disobeying the Pope?

I don't know. Our bishop couldn't get anybody to celebrate the Tridentine Liturgy until early this year. After he did, there are still only about 100 people at the Mass on Sundays.

[Slyfox]

"There has been a lot of confusion" about the new norm, said Father Huber, who speculated that there will "probably be enough questions sent to Rome to lead them to make a clarification."

The Pope has already said that there must be some sort of act of reverence at the recieving of Communion. That's is why you see people genuflecting when they have to stand to recieve Communion. Watch EWTN. Lots of people genuflect. My parish is used to seeing many people genuflect.

To me it is indeed a joy when I am at a Mass where kneeling at the Communion rail is still allowed. I feel like I am home.

You'd think that all parishes would welcome true reverence for Jesus. Lord knows with all the Church is having to endure, some people reverently praying should be thought to help the situation.

[sinkspur]

Friggin' lunatic.

[Loyalist]

Don't overdo the joke.

[Desdemona]

Hmmmm.....Interesting.

The Hitchcocks are members of the parish where I've been going. The altar rail is still there, but nobody uses it right now.

[Dajjal]

Cardinal Medina's letter, from Oct. 25, 2001, stated: "This dicastery [Vatican department] agrees in principle to the insertion [of the standing adaptation].

What a surprise: the Vatican agreeing that kneeling is "not a licit posture for receiving holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States of America unless the bishop of a particular diocese has derogated from this norm in an individual and extraordinary circumstance" in principle.

[Dajjal]

Great! LOL!!!

[Dajjal]

Boys are being raped throughout the Church, and bishops feel compelled to use their precious time and authority (those who are not already laughing-stocks) to keep people from reverencing Christ.

Dittoes!

[SunnyUsa]

"The altar rail is still there, but nobody uses it right now. "

Our church built in the within the last 20years doesn't even have an altar rail.

Except for my own first Holy Communion I can't recall the last time I saw anyone kneeling to recieve.

My kids have never seen this, sadly.......