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To: Siobhan; sandyeggo
That one is vocative and another is adjectival hardly seems convincing. Can you cite other illustrations of the difference between a vocative and adjectival use of the same word that would substantiate this distinction?

[In Judges 6:12 the Angel of the Lord says to Gideon, "The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour." In this case the Hebrew vocative is not a statement of absolute fact! It was said to Gideon when he was hiding in fear of the Midianites. He became a mighty man of valor, but this was not the case when the words were spoken.]

Stephen is said to be full

GREEK:

pljrjv, ev    sometimes indeclinable; (1) of space fully occupied full (of), filled (with), with the genitive of what the filling consists; (a) literally, of things full of, filled with (MK 8.19); (b) figuratively, of persons full of, filled with, rich or abounding in, thoroughly endowed with (LU 4.1; AC 9.36); (2) of a totality of something or someone with nothing lacking complete, in full, wholly filled (JN 1.14); of grain fully ripe (MK 4.28)

of grace.

***Mary is found to be "she who is full of grace" (or 'she who is highly favored' - in most Protestant translations) long before she does or says anything having to do with God's plan for the Incarnation of His Son.***

Right, she was a godly woman. One in whom God's grace was exemplary.

***In Stephen's case the adjectival formula stresses its donation of 'grace and power' to him from God for his apostolic ministry.***

Both Mary and Stephen were exemplary recipients of God's grace. Both honored the Lord in obedience to the Divine call upon their life. Mary gave birth to and nurtured our Lord. Stephen gave his life as the first martyr.

74 posted on 10/07/2002 10:17:20 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I'll see in the morning if I can find another example for you. Whether or not it is convincing -- I don't know if it is possible to accomplish that. The grammatical issues are very apparent to me, but I will see what I can find. Have a good night.
76 posted on 10/07/2002 10:22:10 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: drstevej
[In Judges 6:12 the Angel of the Lord says to Gideon, "The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour." In this case the Hebrew vocative is not a statement of absolute fact! It was said to Gideon when he was hiding in fear of the Midianites. He became a mighty man of valor, but this was not the case when the words were spoken.]

Clearly, we would disagree strongly about Gideon and the meaning of the greeting of the Angel of the Lord. But I find it edifying to see how differently we see the Scriptures we have in common.

78 posted on 10/07/2002 10:25:14 PM PDT by Siobhan
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