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We'll try this again. I'm having a nasty sinus day, and am kind of dizzy, so I'm pinging a few others just to make sure I'm typing straight. If I'm in error they will correct me.

Salvation is bought with a price...the blood of Jesus Christ shed upon the cross.

Jesus Christ died, his blood was shed if you prefer, to offer the world eternal life in heaven. He open the gates. But, that isn't all. We have a part to play in out lives. In order to achieve salvation, we, the flock, must hold up our end of the bargain. He told us that we must do His will on earth in order to achieve that. That means prayer, sacrifice and a life lived worthy of Christ. Charity, humility, poverty of heart and spirit are necessary.

You must ask what we are saved FROM. We are saved from the just penalty of our sinfulness.

We have Salvation from everlasting death. That would be hell. Well, and purgatory, but if you live right, that could be a short stay.

The atoning sacrifice of Christ, the perfect Lamb of God, satisfies the just requirements of the absolute righteousness God demands.

Atoning is not Christ's sacrifice to make. That is ours. Christ's sacrifice was the ultimate one, one which none of us can ever repay - he gave his life for us. The least we can do is his will.

In one sense, salvation occurred at Christ's death, and in another it will be fully realized at judgement.

Salvation occurs daily as we pray and live life in Christ. We will not know how successful we are until we pass to the other side to be judged. Christ's death just opened the gates of the kingdom. Our actions determine whether or not we are allowed to pass through them.

My point is that this sacrificial atonement is avoidable given the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception because God could simply suspend original sin in His elect (regardless of definition) and eliminate the need for atonement. If, as your church maintains, Mary was completely sinless, she didn't need a savior.

God could, but He didn't. And whether or not Mary needed a savior is between her and God. As she was not divine, I think she did a savior. Aside from that, the gates of heaven were closed to her, still, if Christ hadn't died.

She was righteous and could stand before God.

I'm sure she does. Regularly. She already had all the grace which we, in our lives, try to receive.

I don't have a lot of time to reply here, so I'll say as much as I can and follow up tomorrow.

Atoning is not Christ's sacrifice to make. That is ours. Christ's sacrifice was the ultimate one, one which none of us can ever repay - he gave his life for us. The least we can do is his will.

We know who, but what did He give His life for? Why was it necessary to die? If I throw myself in front of a car on the freeway and leave a note for my wife saying I did it for her, that's not sacrifice. That's suicide. It is devoid of any noble reason. So clearly there must have been a PURPOSE for Christ to have died. If He did not die for a purpose equitable to us, we are not in any way indebted to Him. The sacrifice was to atone for the sins of the world. "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." How are we tied to that sacrifice? By faith. Obedience is born of that faith, not vice versa. Pharisees were all about obeying the Law, but without the faith they were an offense.

To be continued later...

Jesus Christ died, his blood was shed if you prefer, to offer the world eternal life in heaven. He open the gates.

So the blood of Jesus is ineffective..it has no power aside from your good works?

My Bible tells me Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Past tense..a completed act

Atoning is not Christ's sacrifice to make. That is ours. Christ's sacrifice was the ultimate one, one which none of us can ever repay - he gave his life for us. The least we can do is his will.

The atonement was Christs to make..no man can pay the price..if he could why would God come down here and suffer himself..only HE could be the propitation

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Past tense

I'm sure she does. Regularly. She already had all the grace which we, in our lives, try to receive.

Do you make God your debtor? He owes your something? You do good so he owes you grace? I thought grace was Gods unmerited favor ????