[RnMomof7]

And you have nothing but a church built on those non self authenticating scriptures.......

This is interesting then Poly you agree that Communion may not be the body of Christ Huh?.It is nothing mopre than a rumor started in the 1200's ..no proof..just what we have been saying all along

[RnMomof7]

make that more than:

[Aquinasfan]

And you have nothing but a church built on those non self authenticating scriptures...

The argument goes like this:

1) Consider the Bible simply as a historical document.
2) Existing copies are in substantial agreement and the Bible is the most credible ancient document of that era.
3) No credible historical argument can be made that Jesus did not claim to build His Church on Peter (establishing the office of the papacy-see above) and that the gates of hell would not prevail against It. Jesus also called His Church "the pillar and foundation of truth."
4) History shows an unbroken lineage of Popes from the time of Peter –an unprecedented historical phenomenon.
5) If the Church is "the pillar and foundation of truth" then It could never have taught error, nor could it teach contradictory doctrine. In fact, the Church has never promulgated false doctrine. The Church also posesses a body of non-contradictary doctrine. Both are singular historical accomplishments.
6) The argument provides moral certainty or proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus existed, Jesus is who He claimed to be, and that the Catholic Church is His Church.
7) The Catholic Church determined the canon of scripture and teaches that it is the inspired Word of God.
8) We can know with moral certainty or proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Catholic Bible is the Word of God.

Furthermore, you have the evidence of miracles (like Lanciano) showing that Church doctrine is true and healing miracles attributed to Saints that prove that these miracles cannot be attributed to Satan ("a kingdom divided...").

[Polycarp]

It is nothing mopre than a rumor started in the 1200's

You're pathetic.

I've recently posted Ignatius' quotes from 80 years after the death of Christ proving early Christians believed in the real Presence. The Early Fathers' quotes are so numerous as to be irrefutable.

Yet you embrace conspiratorial anti-Catholic theories from anti-Catholic bigots claiming against all known early writings as well as rational thought that the doctrine of the Real Presence was created in 1200.

You're not worth debating.

(but I still like ya'.)