[RnMomof7]

What I know is there is none righteous no not one...not one seeks after God..(yes all that would include Mary) And Mary knew that and believed the scriptures and she KNEW she needed a savior too

[xzins]

none righteous no not one...not one seeks after God

That's a good argument, imho, because the immaculate conception is based purely on "filial affection" and on no scripture according to Hahn.

In the absence of scripture on the "ic" side, then scripture about the sin nature must be allowable on the Marian Sin side.