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To: Desdemona
So do you believe, like Bishop Alfonse di Ligouri, the Societies of Mary, and most Catholics, that there are two paths to
salvation, one through Jesus and the other through Mary? And
that she is more loving and merciful than Jesus and able
to impose her decisions upon him? Is Mary another way to
heaven for those who don't want to go through Jesus? Was
Jesus lying when he said that there is no way to the Father except through him?

163 posted on 10/08/2002 9:42:35 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: Woodkirk
Why do you insist on asking me this stuff?

Do you know the Apostle's Creed or the Nicean Creed? Those are the statements of belief: One God, Son conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, etc.? That's what I believe. Because if accusing me of believing that one has to go through Mary to God, you may as well accuse me of going through St. Joesph, St. Patrick, St. Cecilia, St. Michael and many others when I ask them to pray for me. None of them are God or Jesus, but they are in heaven with God and Jesus. The go to heaven prayer in the Rosary is:

Oh, my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven especially those in need of they mercy. Amen.

The responses in the Litany of Jesus are "have mercy on us" and "O Jesus, deliver us" (plus it's twice as long) Mary and Joseph just have "pray for us". Do you see/understand the difference?

And what part of leave me alone, please, don't you understand?
169 posted on 10/08/2002 10:03:13 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Woodkirk
So do you believe, like Bishop Alfonse di Ligouri, the Societies of Mary, and most Catholics, that there are two paths to
salvation, one through Jesus and the other through Mary? And
that she is more loving and merciful than Jesus and able
to impose her decisions upon him? Is Mary another way to
heaven for those who don't want to go through Jesus? Was
Jesus lying when he said that there is no way to the Father except through him?



You're full of it bub if you think "most" catholics believe this, and everything you typed afterward is all broad generalization based on your fallacious idea. I have NEVER met a catholic who thought you could achieve salvation through Mary sans Christ. I'm catholic and I can attest that your statement is total bull. Get over yourself and your bigotry.
722 posted on 10/10/2002 10:56:19 PM PDT by Audit_Jesse
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