Hellfire And Brimstone Preaching

http://www.christianinformer.org/2k01hell.htm ^ | 10/5/02 | Richard Nichols

[RnMomof7]

I'm tossing this out unchecked but I believe that Jesus' and any of the accounts of others in the NT using harsh words were always directed at those who were contemplating murder, planning murder, or engaged in theft.


Yea do check that out...cause I think his harsh words were for false doctrines and traditions

[xzins]

See #32

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

BTW The best hells fire preachers were always Calvinists..they know the holiness of God and the total depravity of man..

Pr.8:13, 11:2, 13:10, 14:3, 16:18.

Becky

[RnMomof7]

Spiritual pride and the need to be loved are a problem Becky. They are opposite sides of the same coin ..they block truth.

Sometimes if someone has their belief system threatened they consider that "abusive" . They would rather run from the discussion than take a hard look at it.
I am sure that the religious leaders in the days of Jesus thought the apostles were abusive..not respectful. But they had a Hard truth...one that was left to us as a gift...

[RnMomof7]

wai you are growing up spiritually before our eyes...Keep your ears and heart open!

[RnMomof7]

I once heard the parable of the sower and the seed taught as a parent teaching table manners...there is so much error out there passing for the gospel..I left that church soon after that

[RnMomof7]

Psa 101:3   I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; [it] shall not cleave to me.

Psa 119:104   Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Amo 5:15   Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

2Ti 2:19   Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.


Defending error in the name of love is to condemn the lost to hell...that is not love it is hate

[wai-ming]

Thanks for the encouragement.

I still have much to learn.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Did I say anywhere that error should be defended?

Becky

[Revelation 911]

I think the end of every hells fire sermon should be a declaration offering the forgivness of God to the penetient...the point should be repetance and reconcilation

eee gads - sounds like an altar call LOL

[RnMomof7]

Ya know at the reform church I have been going to the Pastor always make mention that it is essential for every man to repent and come to Christ..and If they have not they need to seek God...

Ya know Rev God saves as he chooses to save ..at the time and the place of His choosing.....and yes it could be an altar call...

[Revelation 911]

Ya know Rev God saves as he chooses to save ..at the time and the place of His choosing.....and yes it could be an altar call...

yes it could be - I drew some amusement though as you frequently assail them - relax ma - youre still a bit wound up

[RnMomof7]

yea I am not a fan of altar calls with "just as I am "playing in the backround for effect..

But we are all to offer the gospel ...I think that is what He meant by Go and tell:>) ...My problem is with the emotional plea or the group pressure that comes with the typical finney/graham altar call

I like the way my new pastor does it. No one is asked to come forward..but the call is made and explained..the one week he said something like if you need to come and talk to me I will be here..nuf...IMHO..He had presented the gospel in the sermon..and explained it is a life or death situation...He offered to be there

There are lots of problems with the standard Finney call... but that does not mean that I dis all calls from the Pulpit..

[xzins]

sower.....table manners?????

how'd they do that?

[Revelation 911]

I like the way my new pastor does it. No one is asked to come forward..but the call is made and explained..the one week he said something like if you need to come and talk to me I will be here..nuf...IMHO..He had presented the gospel in the sermon..and explained it is a life or death situation...He offered to be there

similarly done at our parent church (who comissioned our "planting" activity)- Pastor wife behaves in a similar manner.

[RnMomof7]

Have you ever tried a Reform Baptist church? ( you do not need to be "reform" in theology to go to one. good teaching is good teaching) I just started to go to one...As the pastor there said if you do not see what a sinner you are you can not appreciate the grace and mercy of God.

That is the problem in the church today..cheap grace

[George W. Bush]

Pastors who use abusive language from the pulpit can speak about: those outside their congregation who are not Christian, those outside who are Christian, those inside who are not, those inside who are.

Apparently, you Methodists are a lot tougher than I thought. I can't recall any abusive language on the above topics in the Baptist churches I've attended. But then, I do expect a minister to tell us why we're Baptist and not RC/Mormon/liberal ex-Protestants/Muslims/etc.

I don't believe delineating the distinctives of your denomination is abusive provided the description is factually accurate. My experience with non-Baptist churches is much the same. Personally, I wish we'd hear more about Baptist distinctives and comparison to other traditions so that more Baptists would themselves understand the Baptist tradition better. I would guess a lot of churches have less than half the membership who know and value the particular doctrine of their denomination enough to explain the most basic distinctives to a stranger, let alone give any sort of detailed history of it.

[George W. Bush]

From the article: There are people in the church who whine and grumble about how hard some gospel preachers preach.

Huh? I haven't heard a "hard" sermon since I was a boy attending a fundamentalist church. And most of that was cheap shots at Rome and not even well-articulated.

Just where in the dickens are all these tough gospel preachers at anyway?

Of course, maybe I just don't notice. I tend to appreciate when a preacher has the courage to tell anyone they might be committing a sin. I have a certain appreciation for when the preacher is brave enough to deliver a sermon on particular sins without regard for anyone present who is in those sins. I find it especially instructive and worth hearing if he preaches against sins that I am struggling with. Maybe I'm backward but I thought that was a principal reason to attend church along with worship and prayer and fellowship.

I wouldn't care to have personal accusations of sin levelled against individuals in a service but then I've never seen such a thing happen. Other than that, preachers should regularly preach against sin. In any sizable church, you're going to have people quietly struggling with all sorts of sin or ignoring their sins. The preacher's job is to give them a general wakeup call not to be complacent about the roots of sin in their lives, to warn them how those little sins grow into big ones. It's not a popular job but it is necessary.

[George W. Bush]

And you know what ? I want to be pleasing to my God..so I want to be called to account for my sin so I can repent and turn from it

Amen.

I just keep wondering who it is out there who don't want a warning against letting sin hold them captive, especially given how worldly the influence of society is in modern times.

It's already far too easy to be complacent about your own sin. I would hope the preachers don't fail us by just keeping quiet when we need most is to be told about sin ruling our lives and its effect on us as believers.