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To: Desdemona
Who says the pope is divine?

The "Vicar of Christ?" "He who hears the Pope hears the words of Jesus?" Papal infallibility? Where to start?

And as for false faith in men and works, the constant focus on Mary, the saints, the pope, priestly authority, the sacraments, etc. take the emphasis off of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I'm sure you don't agree with me, and I wish I could spend all day trying to convince you (out of caring for my fellow child of God . . . if I didn't care, I'd just ignore you and other Catholics).

I guess i'm only venting because I don't like being called satanic. There's a WIDE, WIDE line between Christianity and Catholicism, and satanism. I may disagree with your doctrine as I understand it, but I don't think you're even remotely satanic, nor are 99.9% of Catholics. I think some of your leaders are, though.

71 posted on 09/25/2002 11:44:05 AM PDT by LibertyGirl77
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To: LibertyGirl77
Well, well. Alright. I don't care for these arguments because usually people who make such statements, which seem to come up every doggone time, have absolutely no clue what they are talking about and it's like arguing with a brick wall, but just for you, I will make an exception.

The "Vicar of Christ?"

Priest of an unbroken succession. Somebody in the Catholic Caucus has the whole list.

"He who hears the Pope hears the words of Jesus?"

??????? I don't think I've ever heard this one before.

Papal infallibility?

This has nothing to do with being divine. The pope is still a man just like the rest of us.

And as for false faith in men and works, the constant focus on Mary, the saints, the pope, priestly authority, the sacraments, etc. take the emphasis off of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

First, the sacraments (Baptism, Reconciliation, Holy Eucharist, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, Annointing of the Sick) are expressions of our life in Christ. It is all done in His name for Him and about Him.

Second, the constant focus is on Christ - as was Mary's and all the Saints. They lived as He wants us to. They are our Christian role-models. We do not worship them. We venerate them and as Christ DIED SO THAT WE MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, that is we physically die, but our souls live on, they are not dead, but are alive and with God. If there wasn't a miracle involved with each of these people, they wouldn't be canonized and the church is amazingly picky about certifying miracles. If a miracle is associated with an individual, that individual must be with God and God is working through them. We ask for their prayers and help when we need a little extra help. But Mary and the saints are not worshiped.

As for being called Satanic, protestants aren't Satanic. But, it is arguable that Satan had a hand in the splits. Divide and conquer.

I don't know if this satisfies you, but there it is.
74 posted on 09/25/2002 12:08:27 PM PDT by Desdemona
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