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To: RnMomof7; Hank Kerchief; zadok; MarMema; Cvengr; drstevej; fortheDeclaration; Utah Girl; ...
This is all speculation on your part RnMomof7!


Yes in that we were made in God's image. We suffer from the consequences of the division incurred as a result of original sin, but we do not bear the guilt.

Ahhhh but are we ??? Something VERY serious happened it Eden..it was not a bump in the road...Adam was created in the image of God...but what does scripture say of us??

Gen 5:3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Notice the children of Adam (us) were made not after the image of the Father from that day forward we were after the image of man .

Man had fallen..man had lost his innocence, man was seperated from God and unable to do ANYTHING pleasing to God ...and so scripture asks us



This is your version, understand but not biblical based RnMomof7.

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110 posted on 09/20/2002 6:28:11 PM PDT by Itsfreewill
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To: Itsfreewill
try to see what those that went before us believed...

Wesley

Verse 3.   Seth was born in the 130th year of Adam's life, and probably the murder of Abel was not long before. Many other sons and daughters were born to Adam besides Cain and Abel before this; but no notice is taken of them, because an honourable mention must be made of his name only, in whose loins Christ and the church were. But that which is most observable here concerning Seth, is, that Adam begat him in his own likeness after his image - Adam was made in the image of God; but when he was fallen and corrupted, he begat a son in his own image, sinful and defiled, frail and mortal, and miserable like himself; not only a man like himself, consisting of body and soul; but a sinner like himself, guilty and obnoxious, degenerate and corrupt. He was conceived and born in sin, Psalm li, 5. This was Adam's own likeness, the reverse of that Divine likeness in which Adam was made; but having lost it himself he could not convey it to his seed.

Gill

Verse 3. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years,.... The Septuagint version, through mistaken, gives the number two hundred and thirty years: and begat [a son]; not that he had no other children during this time than Cain and Abel; this is only observed to show how old he was when Seth was born, the son here meant; who was begotten in his own likeness, after his image; not in the likeness, and after the image of God, in which Adam was created; for having sinned, he lost that image, at least it was greatly defaced, and he came short of that glory of God, and could not convey it to his posterity; who are, and ever have been conceived in sin, and shapen in iniquity; are polluted and unclean, foolish and disobedient; averse to all that is good, and prone to all that is evil: the sinfulness of nature is conveyed by natural generation, but not holiness and grace; that is not of blood, nor of the will of man, nor of the flesh, but of God, and produced of his own will, by his mighty power impressing the image of his Son in regeneration on his people; which by beholding his glory they are more and more changed into by the Spirit of God. The Jewish writers understand this in a good sense, of Seth being like to Adam in goodness, when Cain was not: so the Targum of Jonathan,

Matthew Henry

II. The birth of his son Seth, v. 3. He was born in the hundred and thirtieth year of Adam's life; and probably the murder of Abel was not long before. Many other sons and daughters were born to Adam, besides Cain and Abel, before this; but no notice is taken of them, because an honourable mention must be made of his name only in whose loins Christ and the church were. But that which is most observable here concerning Seth is that Adam begat him in his own likeness, after his image. Adam was made in the image of God; but, when he was fallen and corrupt, he begat a son in his own image, sinful and defiled, frail, mortal, and miserable, like himself; not only a man like himself, consisting of body and soul, but a sinner like himself, guilty and obnoxious, degenerate and corrupt. Even the man after God's own heart owns himself conceived and born in sin, Ps. 51:5. This was Adam's own likeness, the reverse of that divine likeness in which Adam was made; but, having lost it himself, he could not convey it to his seed. Note, Grace does not run in the blood, but corruption does. A sinner begets a sinner, but a saint does not beget a saint.

Adam Clarke

And begat a son in his own likeness, after his image] Words nearly the same with those chap. i. 26: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. What this image and likeness of God were, we have already seen, and we may rest assured that the same image and likeness are not meant here. The body of Adam was created provisionally immortal, i.e. while he continued obedient he could not die; but his obedience was voluntary, and his state a probationary one. The soul of Adam was created in the moral image of God, in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness. He had now sinned, and consequently had lost his moral resemblance to his Maker; he had also become mortal through his breach of the law. His image and likeness were therefore widely different at this time from what they were before; and his begetting children in this image and likeness plainly implies that they were imperfect like himself, mortal like himself, sinful and corrupt like himself. For it is impossible that he, being impure, fallen from the Divine image, could beget a pure and holy offspring, unless we could suppose it possible that a bitter fountain could send forth sweet waters, or that a cause could produce effects totally dissimilar from itself. What is said here of Seth might have been said of all the other children of Adam, as they were all begotten after his fall; but the sacred writer has thought proper to mark it only in this instance.

Now IFW..When I read that chapter I understood what God was telling us...but a discussion on another forum caused me to see if I was really off base...but as you see famous men of both Arminian and Calvinist theology read it the same way...

111 posted on 09/20/2002 6:42:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Itsfreewill; RnMomof7
Many men say man is no longer in the image of God. Some try to use verses such as these below to prove it. Any 5 year old can see, if Adam is in God's image, and Seth is in Adam's image, Seth is in God's image.

Since there is not a single verse of Scripture that says man is no longer in God's image, this must be what it means.

Gen 5:3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth.

In case you think I'm just guessing, like those who would add to the Scripture to support their sinful nature heresy, here's what the Bible says about man and God's image:

1 Cor 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

Jas 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

Again, any 5 year old can understand that, unless of course, they are a Calvinist.

You'll just have to get used to Calvinist's saying things like, "well yes, the verse says that, but that's not what it means." Why, they do that with whole chapters, like Ezekiel 18, and 33.

Hank

113 posted on 09/20/2002 7:59:20 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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