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To: CCWoody
You are still reading your PreMillennialism into the text:

So it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend,... and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

Look, the parable of the tares establishes that the separation of the wicked and the just will be at the end of this age.

We agree on this, we just have a MINOR 1,000-year difference of opinion. ;^)

Plus, you are taking a uniquely gospel era idea, that of fishing for men, and making it into a Millennial reign term. Now, as an Amil, this is not at all offensive to me, but as a PreMil, you are not allowed to do this. There will be no preaching of the gospel the PreMill tells us during the Reign of Christ for all will know the Lord.

In Mt 13:47-50 the fish are not being gathered by the Gospel, they are being gathered in order to separate the good from the bad. The good go to Heaven, the bad go to the Lake of Fire.

And the Matthew 25 separation of the sheep and goats occurs when the Son of Man comes with all His angels. The sheep will inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world and the goats will head into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. This is exactly what Matthew 13:49-50 is describing. This is the same identical thing.

Right.

Unfortunately, you need this to say that the goats are sent from the lord to Hades (the abode of the dead) to wait for them to be cast into the Lake of Fire. But this is not where they go. This would not make sense anyway. Why would the graves, i.e. Hades, give up her dead only to receive them again for 1000 more years. They are heading to the everlasting fire just exactly as the text says, also called geenna, hell fire, the Lake of fire, the furnace of fire.

No, at this separation I have said the goats are sent to the Lake of Fire. If I posted something different I must have mispoken.

And another slam dunk is 1 Co 15:26 which identifies Death as an enemy of God. So it as well will be cast into the furnace of fire at the end of this age.

Again we agree. What we disagree on is when the age ends. I maintain it ends after Jesus reigns on earth for a thousand years after His return. You maintain that it ends immediately upon His return.

1,785 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:22 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen; RnMomof7; Jerry_M; Jean Chauvin
No, at this separation I have said the goats are sent to the Lake of Fire.

You have a big problem as John 5:29 says that all the dead will be raised in an hour, both the good and the bad. So, the gathering of all things offensive (Mat 13:40) and the wicked (Mat 13:49) and the goats (Mat 25) will happen in a very short period of time.

Now, you PreMillennialists tell me that the just are raised at the beginning of the Paradise reign of Christ. Yet, John 5:29 tells me that both the good and the bad will be raised up in a very short period of time. So, are you going to assert that Hitler gets to roam free in Paradise for 1000 years with all his evil pals?

But, hey, at least Satan is sitting in a hole.
1,804 posted on 09/25/2002 2:35:06 PM PDT by CCWoody
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