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To: ksen; Jean Chauvin; xzins; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; nobdysfool; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Thanks for a thoughtful response.

And I agree that it's interesting that premillennialism dates all the way back to the apostolic period! (I just happen to think it's rather funny in an awful way [Psalm 2:4])

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Genesis 3:16b was seriously misunderstood for literally thousands of years--despite the fact that the same Hebrew language in the very next chapter (Genesis 4:7) completely explains what 3:16b means when it says "Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Genesis 3:16b is a pretty important verse, and yet it has been misunderstood for essentially the entirety of Judeo-Christian history!

And to underscore (perhaps) the fact of a God-ordained Satanic joke associated with our uncanny confusion, the Lord honored a female scholar at Westminster Theological Seminary by letting her be the one who noticed, in about 1968 or so, the incredibly obvious and important parallel with Genesis 4:7 (Susan Foh, author of Women and the Word of God).

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BTW, as a Baptist, I also think it's interesting that paedobaptism dates back about as far as we can trace these things. But this means nothing to a Baptist--whether in mode or candidacy. (Believers-only immersion goes all the way back, too!) And I think my Reformed paedobaptist friends respect that in principle.

In short, the Reformed approach is to look carefully at the Scriptures to establish doctrine. We have to resist temptations to be lazy, temptations to trust opinions, temptations to buy into bad arguments.

And this is not easy. Some people are not any good at it at all. They are too emotional and too lazy in the way they handle the very real difficulties in Scripture. (They are carnally cranky! They will believe only what they already believe--even if what they already believe is wrong.)

1,088 posted on 09/19/2002 1:35:53 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: the_doc; ksen; kjam22; RnMomof7; fortheDeclaration
BTW, as a Baptist, I also think it's interesting that paedobaptism dates back about as far as we can trace these things. But this means nothing to a Baptist--whether in mode or candidacy. (Believers-only immersion goes all the way back, too!) And I think my Reformed paedobaptist friends respect that in principle.

Apples and oranges, doc.

Paedobaptism goes back to the ante-nicene period, but it doesn't appear ANYWHERE in scripture. (Some say it appears covertly, but even that says it doesn't appear.)

Pre-millennialism is the logical, literal understanding of Revelation 20. It isn't just OVERTLY mentioned in scripture, it is the topic of its own section of scripture. The restoration of the kingdom is a natural reading of the Old Testament.

Premil is the historic position of Christianity. Blindness would be a good reason for missing that -- unless you had a bible in braille, of course.

1,091 posted on 09/19/2002 1:48:37 PM PDT by xzins
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