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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Your position is known as the Donatist heresy

What complete and utter BS. Anyone who refuses to associate with a hypocrite is a heretic? Why even bother posting here anymore? It seems there is an Inquisition live and well here which seeks out anyone who refuses to blind themselves and fall in line. Disgusting.

My loyalty is to God, God's servants and God's Word, not to agents of the dark side or fallen human beings who are well entrenched in our Church. Open your eyes.

29 posted on 09/09/2002 4:46:22 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
What complete and utter BS. Anyone who refuses to associate with a hypocrite is a heretic? Why even bother posting here anymore? It seems there is an Inquisition live and well here which seeks out anyone who refuses to blind themselves and fall in line. Disgusting.

You show your lack of knowledge in both the history of the Catholic faith and what the Sacraments truly are. The Church is not a club designed to allow you to socialize with members of the clergy. What's disgusting is that you think the efficacy of the Sacraments are dependent upon the worthiness of a priest. If that were the case the Sacraments could not be administered. The true minister of the Sacraments is Christ Himself and yes, denying that whether through ignorance or conscious rejection, heresy, is wrong. Had you read the link you'd know that. It is too bad that you were either never taught or choose to reject the teachings of the Church.

31 posted on 09/09/2002 5:15:49 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: goldenstategirl
What complete and utter BS. Anyone who refuses to associate with a hypocrite is a heretic? Why even bother posting here anymore? It seems there is an Inquisition live and well here which seeks out anyone who refuses to blind themselves and fall in line. Disgusting.

Well ... you post here so that folks like Smedley can provide you the scholarship and point you in the right direction for answers to your questions.

The Donatist heresy is a new one on me as well.

My loyalty is to God, God's servants and God's Word, not to agents of the dark side or fallen human beings who are well entrenched in our Church. Open your eyes.

I am not Calvinist who believes God creates evil or purposefully uses evil (like a pragmatist) knowing he's got the ability to pull Good like a rabbit out of his hat by the end of the show.

That said, I see no reason Christ would be constrained by the sins of a single man who -- although bent and possibly evil himself -- still has the dispensation to celebrate Mass.

I think Tolkein has a really interesting quote that -- while not centered exactly on the priest -- is possible an excellent exercise for all of us who cringe at the ignorant and non-traditional Catholic (of whose number I was myself not so very long ago).

Out of the darkness of my life, so much frustrated, I put before you the one great thing to love on earth: the Blessed Sacrament …. There you will find romance, glory, honor, fidelity, and the true way of all your loves upon earth, and more than that: Death: by the divine paradox, that which ends all life, and demands the surrender of all, and yet by the taste of which alone can what you seek in your earthly relationships be maintained, or take on that complexion of reality, of eternal endurance, which every man's heart desires …

The only cure for sagging or fainting faith is Communion.

Though always itself, perfect and complete and inviolate, the Blessed Sacrament does not operate completely and once for all in any of us. Like the act of faith, it must be continuous and grow by exercise. Frequency is of the highest effect. Seven times a week is more nourishing than seven times at intervals.

Also, I can recommend this as an exercise: make your Communion in circumstances that affront your taste. Choose a snuffling or gabbling priest or a proud and vulgar friar; and a church full of the usual bourgeois crowd, ill-behaved children - from those who yell to the products of Catholic schools who the moment the tabernacle is opened sit back and yawn - open necked and dirty youths, women in trousers and often with hair both unkempt and uncovered.

Go to Communion with them (and pray for them). It will be just the same as a Mass said beautifully by a visibly holy man, and shared by a few devout and decorous people. (It could not be worse than the mess of the feeding of the Five Thousand - after which our Lord propounded the feeding that was to come.)


157 posted on 09/11/2002 7:21:34 PM PDT by Askel5
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