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To: Romulus
"Well, Alec Guiness was a Catholic convert. Does that count?"

While this is a wonderful fact, George Lucas, I think, probably influenced him here.

Sad, isn't it, that a whole generation grew up learning morals from George Lucas and Jim Henson.
218 posted on 09/12/2002 7:48:26 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
I could have been worse....
219 posted on 09/12/2002 7:53:28 AM PDT by .45MAN
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To: Desdemona
Of course, Guiness converted 20 years or more before he met George Lucas.

Sad, isn't it, that a whole generation grew up learning morals from George Lucas and Jim Henson.

I'll say.

Though I admire the production values, I've never been a Star Wars fan. I remember seeing the first installment in the series -- was it 1977? -- and sputtering to my date, lacking the critical (not to mention philosophical) language to explain my instinctive antipathy. There was so much artistic dishonesty and incoherence, one scarcely knew where to attack first. One thinks of the homage to popular pieties about savvy, independent females (audiences swallowed whole the vulgar and idiotic notion of a "princess" with the speech and deportment of a suburban American teenager). Then there's the pandering to unthinking loyalties: the Empire is evil because its soldiers have frowny-masks instead of faces (implicitly soulless, they are non-persons, sub-humans who can be be killed off like so many cockroaches). The "Nazi-style" helmets (cleverly lampooned in Spaceballs) complete the manipulative cartoon treatment.

Nowhere is it explained why Empire is objectively evil and Federation good. Nor is the Manichaeism of Force vs. Dark Side resolved (probably can't be if Lucasfilms is going to crank out more sequels ;-)). Are they equal? If so, why are both not worthy of veneration? Is the Force a higher power (and why does something benevolent and anti-authoritarian call itself "the Force" anyway)? If the force is benevolent, why does it lend itself to manipulation and the clouding of men's minds, as it does when Obi-Wan Kenobi deceives the guards?

I realise this is just a movie (even if I pay it the compliment of approaching it seriously), and certainly don't intend to hijack this thread. But I did want to register my discomfort with its question-begging insinuation that "non serviam" is the proper model for human life.

227 posted on 09/12/2002 8:35:44 AM PDT by Romulus
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