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I'll be honest. I bugged out of this thread when the commentary got away from the original article. It happens everywhere and generally drives me insane. And the things that seem to happen while I'm at rehearsal....

I've admited I don't know much about theology or a good overview of church history - by the time I went through school the phrase "Offer it up" was passe. I only know it because we heard it from Mom 10 times a day. I read these threads to learn and when people start hurling insults at each other, the learning generally stops.

Now that I've read through this one, and after I got that freepmail from Siobhan, some things are becoming very clear - there are a lot of people who don't like to be in the wrong. It's not a comfortable place to be and rubbing it in to another is really mean. There's ways of correcting others which are far more gentle than is demonstrated here. (and what's even worse is being told you're wrong when you KNOW you're right) Just think about that.

This year, we, the faithful have been left to defend the church without any help from it. And let's face it we're all a little angry about that. There's very little help from the hierarchy in many places. Lucky me, I'm in an archdiocese where the worst of the mess has been cleaned up, where the bishop is gently but firmly putting his foot down and stopping the liturgical errors and, frankly, where we are not in any danger of going bankrupt (we have a HUGE endowment carefully collected). I feel for all of you, but you can't let the anger consume and descend into name calling.

Just think about this, from a great theologian, Obi-Wan Kanobi: "Beware of the dark side." (yes, I am a member of the Star Wars cult) It WILL consume you. For the record, has any Catholic theologian said this? Oh, knowledgable ones, please educate the class.

Ooops. That took a long time.