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To: ultima ratio
Your arguments aren't convincing, and I should warn you that I’m much easier to convince than He Whose command you are flouting.

One problem you may eventually discover, a problem that has plagued the Protestants and orthodox who have gone before you, is that not everyone is likely to agree with your estimation of what constitutes “going astray.” They, of course, would then be duty-bound to mitigate your temporal and eternal punishment by not following your lead.

The Church is indefectable, ultima. It cannot teach falsely, so I am not concerned about it going astray in its teachings. But the Church does have authority in some areas in which it is not infallible. In those areas, it can screw up. Personally, I think the decision to allow “altar girls” was a bad move. I disagree with it strongly. However, the Church is not obligated to follow my judgment in pastoral matters, and I am obligated to at least accept the Church’s judgment in those areas. So I do so, and yes, I think that’s a virtuous thing. It’s certainly much harder than simply insisting on getting my own way all the time.

62 posted on 09/01/2002 12:08:09 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that your church is in trouble, and believe it or not, I don't want everyone to be Orthodox.

Modernism and innovation have nearly ruined what was once a holy house. My 14 year old daughter attended her first mass last week while staying with my parents, and she was horrified. She said it is absolutely nothing like our liturgy and she did not feel the presence of God. Which kind of depressed me, because in second grade I had to attend mass every morning before school and I know God was there in those days.

69 posted on 09/01/2002 12:34:10 PM PDT by MarMema
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