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To: Prysson
Your friend, the "philosopher," is a fraud. "I think, therefore I am" was written by Rene Descartes. What a final blunder you just made.
220 posted on 09/10/2002 1:19:34 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
Your friend, the "philosopher," is a fraud. "I think, therefore I am" was written by Rene Descartes. What a final blunder you just made.

Who cares, Misterioso? If you wish to debate the points made by Prysson's friend, go ahead. The value of the points are not reliant upon exactly who, centuries ago, said exactly what.

221 posted on 09/10/2002 1:21:54 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Misterioso
I hardly would describe it as a final blunder. You really are a mental midget. So my friend mispoke in referencing a philosophy. Big deal. It hardly makes him a fraud. I suppose you are one of those twits who think George Bush is an idot because he mispronounces a word on television. The point of the argument remains. It doesnt change any of the substance of the argument. As he stated when I querried him on it. "Oops I mispoke, but what difference does it make. The argument isnt about who said what."

I wouldnt even bother responding to you normally because your reply is just one of those juvenile responses people give when they have nothing to offer themselves. Like pointing out that someone misspelled the word Ridiculous as if somehow that proves that you are right and he is wrong becuase he so stupidly misspelled a word. That is utter nonsense but I dont know why I should expect anything better from you. You havent ever said anything worth listenting to in this entire conversation except maybe "Yeah you sure showed him".

You are a joke.
Here let me respond with something you might be able to understand "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo" "Stick and stone may break my bones but names will never hurt me" is that simplistic enough for you.
225 posted on 09/10/2002 3:11:18 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: Misterioso; Prysson
The story behind the famous Descartes statement is well written in James L Christian's "Philosophy" text.

Descartes was a geometrician. He found only in mathematics and geometry the certainty that he required. Therefore, he used the methods of geometry to think about the world ... Following his geometrical model, Descartes proceeds to doubt everything -- de omnibus dubitandum. He will suspend belief in the knowledge he learned from childhood, all those things "which I allowed myself in youth to be persuaded without having inquired into their truth." Doubt will be his method, a deliberate strategy for proceeding toward certainty. (Descartes is a doubter not by nature but by necessity. What he wants is secure understanding so he can stop doubting.)

Descartes finds that he has no trouble doubting the existence of real objects/events -- our senses too easily deceive us. And we can doubt the existence of a supernatural realm of reality -- figments and fantasies are too often conjured by our native imaginations. But now his geometrical model pays off: in trying to doubt everything, he discovers something he can't doubt. What he can't doubt is that he is doubting. Obviously, I exist if I doubt I exist. My doubt that I exist proves that I exist, for I have to exist to be able to doubt. Therefore I can't doubt that I exist. Hence, there is at least one fact in the universe that is beyond doubt. "I am, I exist, is necessarily true each time that I pronounce it, ot that I mentally conceive it."

Descartes thus becomes the author of the most famous phrase in Western philosophy: Cognito ergo sum, or, in his original french, Je pense, donc je suis -- "I think, therefore I exist."

255 posted on 09/11/2002 12:17:52 PM PDT by thinktwice
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