[thinktwice]

The fact is that a belief in God and the subsequent religious doctrine that forms around that belief are quite capable and in many instances of very sound logic and rationale.

Please explain to me why one religion believes suicide bombers will go directly to heaven, and other religions believe that said suicide bombing is murder.

What about the kamakazi pilots in WW-II?

The Crusades --- more religious fanaticism.

Go examine your premises.

[Prysson]

Examine what. Just because you think something is irrational you dismiss it as religious fanaticism.

For one thing I would argue that in thier worldview there actions were very rational. Just because you dont undertsnad something doesnt make it nonsense. That is the most retarded argument I have ever heard.

I wont answer to the kamikazee pilots because I have never been of their culture or belief system. But as for the Crusades. You throw out something I daresay you dont knwo very much about and you start to tread on thin ice. There were a multidude of practical cultural political reasons that lead to the crusades and "religious fanaticism" was not one of them... it may have been used a s a tool or weapon and it may have been a result of certain actions taken..but religious fanaticism did not cause the crusades.


My premises stands

[yendu bwam]

Go examine your premises.

Not all manifestations of religion are rational. But many are. Christianity follows rationally from its premises (though this does not mean that men always act rationally in the name of Christianity!). Stalin proceeded quite rationally from his premises. Rationality cannot provide morality - unless you have some underlying premise or desire. And once you do, you have established a morality underlying your rational morality.