Thus, -- Moralities DO exist, irregardless of beliefs. They are a product of real world cause & effect. We need no 'god' to tell us what common sense illustrates. No, tpaine. What about when a kid (a bully) for an example, learns to hurt others without getting hurt in return? Stalin hurt (massacred) millions, and did quite well for himself.
How weird. -- You think Stalin "did quite well for himself".
-- Sorry, but your ideas on morality are quite bizzare. Talk to your religious advisor.